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Nem said:
AlfredoTurkey said:
My beef isn't with evolution it's with the idea of it (being the universe, life etc.) just.... poof... happening. I believe there's more to it than that, much more.

Fair enough. I can understand the line of thought.

So, the thing about the origin of the universe is that it takes place in the sub-atomic level of existance. Our common sense does not apply there. 

Are you familiar with quantum mechanics? It is proven that on a sub atomic level the same particle can exist in 2 places at once. This isn't belief, it is reality. It's demonstrable. Does it make any sense for us, for the same cat to exist in 2 places at once? Of course not! It's impossible! But, in the sub-atomic level, it isn't. So, our common sense and view of the world simply isn't adapted to recognise how the world works at that level and is thus a bias that we must throw out when trying to understand it. 

The sub-atomic world is highly unstable and does not obey common sense. A place where the same thing can exist twice. Is it so far fetched to suppose that in an extreme moment of instability, something incredible may happen?

The problem with religious explanation is they don't explain anything, because even if some magical beeing did it... how did said beeing came into existance? See, religion just displaces the question, it never answers it. So, it becomes an unecessary step in trying to determine the origin of the universe.

I believe, in an ironic twist of fate, that we're all likely living in a simulation. The scientific data is there to make a strong case if you study it. The irony, going back to my opening sentence, lies in the fact that if proven... if science proves that we're all living inside of a concieved simulation, where all things were created by a "coder"... then that will mean science proves there's a "god". 

Imagine that lol.