Switch Revisions Are Basically Already Possible

[Miyamotoo]

DélioPT said:

Miyamotoo said:

Are you serious!? Offcourse they have curently lower price point on market with 2DS/3DS/3DSXL. I relly dont know what are you talking about, difrent companies operating difrent, that doesnt mean some companie is dooing right thing other wrong. Clear fact is that Nintendo operating different than Sony, and that always looking to have different price points on market in same time. Of Course that things can change but only if that make sense, and totally make sense that Nintendo release cheaper version of Switch when 3DS dies, same like there was sense to make one platform that will unified Nintendo home console and handheld platforms.

Sry but do you have some problem with reading my posts!? Like I wrote several times now,  beacus you have some people who don't need TV mode and they don't want to pay $300 for Switch, but they would pay around $200 for Switch without TV mode, you cantbet that lotsa 3DS user will upgrade on Switch Mini/Pocket. They will gain much more users buy releasing cheaper version of Switch not more expensive one than $300. More users means more sold games, that means more profit.

You can take away Dock and Joy Con and called it Switch Mini/Pocket, they can call it like ever they want. Who will want Switch Mini/Pocket!? Like I already stated 10 times to you, people who dont need TV mode and dont want to pay $300 for Switch. You missing clear point, to offer different versions of hardware with different price points, and consumer will choose version that suits them most, similar like you have with 3DS family currently, 3DS, 3DS XL and 2DS. Its very easy to understand and to see how much that actualy make sense.

Actually they said they dont working to 3DS successor at moment, but Switch Mini/Pocket would be part of Switch family not true successor to handheld and want be difrent family compared to Switch. Nintendo comment about handheld was unspecific PR talk beacuse its obvious they dont want to talk about that yet, they basicly said "we always thinking about new handheld", that could mean anuthing.

Because it's logical to assume that not all owners of console that is only handheld and had price point of $150-200, are not willing to pay $300 for new console. Some of them will defiantly buy Switch in current form, but some of them will not be will to pay $300 but they would pay $200 for instance. Like I wrote, difrente price point aiming at difrents segments of market, curently with Switch and 3DS Nintendo covers price point from $80/100 to $300, but when 3DS dies they will left with just their highest price point, and of course they work to have more affordable version of Switch that would replacement on market for 3DS price point.

 

We don't know that price. Owner who will want to play that game in handheld mode on to go, or owner who has only Switch. Switch 2 or Switch Pro or whatever will make power difrence smaller, but that really doesn't change anything, it's clear that Nintendo doesn't care of power of competition and dont have attention to compete with Pro/Scorpio. Yes, I know that Wii U didnt supported UE4 or some other standards on market, but difference is that Switch supports them all out of gate.

You need to realise that Nintendo platforms always had worse 3rd party support (actually from SNES gen) compared to competition, and that actually Wii U had solid 3rd party support for Nintendo platform with games that I mentioned, but Wii U loosed that support after terrible sales in 1st year.

Ok,  let's try to simplify things here.

Nintendo's recent history (DS and 3DS) shows that they bring revisions to the market at higher price tags - with the 2DS being the exception.
The reality of the range of price tags is a consequence of that action: better HW that comes to the market, and with time and price cuts, that range price ends up going down overall.
This is basically what i expect to happen with Switch aswell: with the coming years bringing a range price of prices that although may start high, will get lower and lower.

What you are saying actually goes against what Nintendo has been doing since the DS days.
You basically want them to lose their price leverage in a year.
There's something benefitial in having high prices: you got enough room to have several price cuts and spike sales (even if momentarily).

I don't deny a market for the 150-200 price tag, i question the reasoning, in this context, to bring a smaller, inferior version so soon. That's the thing here: it's too soon - despite havin real consequences.

What do you think will happen when 3DS fades away and there's no 150-200$ mini Switch? And let's face it, Switch has been in development since 2014 (probably 2013) and Nintendo are still thinking about handhelds. Which means there won't be a handheld for at least 3 years!
3DS will eventually migrate to a Switch in a year or so.

Again, if Nintendo does with Switch what they did with DS or 3DS, the next expectable piece of HW is a more expensive, more powerful Switch, not smaller or inferior in HW.
Btw, you can't take away the joy-con to lower the price. Because if you do you can't share the same library of games between both Switch and Switch mini.
It's not the same as taking out the 3D screen out of 3DS.

Just looking at the big games, Wii U didn't have solid 3rd party support. It had ok support and a few ports.
But i agree, failing sales did make the few devs supporting it go away. Only the devs closest to Nintendo remain.
My point is that support was already gone before failing. Things were pretty much decided and Wii U would have to be hit to change things.

You said itself that they already done that with 2DS and actuality with Switch there will be even bigger need for cheaper version. Like I wrote, huge difference is that Switch has much higher price point than any other Nintendo handheld and already has huge screen, so basically opposite compared to 3DS and DS, and that's exactly why there is no need for bigger of more expensive Switch but actually there will be huge need for smaller and cheaper Switch, especially when 3DS dies.

I really don't see how you cant understand that cheaper Switch will be replacement for for price point that currently held 3DS on market. Currently is too soon, but moment 3DS dies (next year) it will right time.

But point is that will be cheaper Switch when 3DS dies. I am 100% confident in that, because that totally make sense and totally goes with Nintendo plans of one platform with multiple devices that are all part of that same platform. You need to realise that Switch Mini/Pocket is not difrent paltform, it will basically be smaller Switch just for handheld play. There will be Switch Mini/Pocket maybe at end of next year on market. Offcooruse that not all 3DS owner will migrate to Switch or that are willing to pay $300.

Again, Switch compared to 3DS and DS, Switch on launch has much higher price and huge screen, so opposite to DS and 3DS. So they will actually need smaller and cheaper Switch first on market, not more expensive and bigger. You don't need You Cons, you can built in controllers.

 

Your point is wrong because Wii U actually had games like Batman, Fifa, Call Of Duty, Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed, Need For Speed, NBA...on launch, but those 3rd party that made those games abandoned platform after terrible sales. Those 3rd party start abandoning platform after they saw how bad Wii U sales, Of situation was opposite and Wii U actually selling great, you would see more 3rd party on board.