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Miyamotoo on 21 March 2017
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DélioPT said:
Miyamotoo said:

Most logical reason is to offer even lower price point for 3DS for people who dont want to pay $150, but point is that they already done that with 2DS. You have New 3DS, New 3DS XL and 2DS on market, so 3 price points of 3DS, from $80/100 to $200. Yes, with 2DS they took away 3D screen and had more affordable option of 3DS family, same would be with Switch, take away TV mode with Joy Cons, Dock...and you have more affordable Switch option for people who dont need TV mode. Just in case of Switch its even more important because when 3DS dies, they will not have lower price point on market.

How big that market is!? Look at installed base of 3DS and installed base of Wii U, maybe that isn't best scenario, but fact is that handheld market always had much bigger instal base than console market in case of Nintendo. Actually Switch Mini/Pocket only for handheld playing for around $200 would force good number of 3DS owners to upgrade to Switch platform that are not currently willing to pay $300 for Switch with TV mode.

Like I wrote, fact is that Nintendo always manage their business different compared to Sony, Nintendo always had multiple price points on market, Sony usual only one.

Like I wrote, Switch Mini/Pocket will loos TV mode and console mode with dock and Joy cons, and it will be device just for handheld play. Not relly hard to understand.

 

Like I wrote, any games could be ported to Switch, if devs want they can ported even to PS3/Xbox360, or Wii or mobile phones. If devs think that porting would pay of to port game to Switch, they will do that, but actually most important is healthy platform that sells. Its very simple.

Do you actually see what I writing!? Wii U at launch had games like few Call Of Dutys, few Batmans, Mass Effect, NFS, Fifa, NBA...so actually Wii U had solid (not best or good but solid for Nintendo platform) 3rd party games on launch and that's a fact, but after terrible Wii U sales in 1st year and become clear that Wii U is faile, we saw that every 3rd party abandoned Wii U in its 1st year. Why do you think Wii U got just only one Fifa, one NBA or one NFS, while for instance Wii had tens of them!?

 

PLS read what I already wrote, there is no point to repeating myself.

So what if they don't have that lower price point right now?
Other companies can thrive without a lower price tag so soon and Nintendo can't, just because that's not Nintendo's way of doing things? By your own words, Sony is in the wrong because they are offering two price points now.
Just because Nintendo hasn't been doing something in a certain way, does not mean they won't do it. Things change. Just look how long it took between Switch's presentation and release. That's not Nintendo style. Yet, it happened.

If Nintendo is making money now (just look how they price the dock) why should they release a machine that is inferior, will most likely make them less profits when they can get a new out that is a better version (more appealing) and maintains them in the run with Sony and MS - aswell as making porting easy?

You can take away the dock and call it Switch, but you can't take away the joy cons and still call it Switch.
Your solutions for a low price handheld end up being a deviation from what Switch offers. Who would honestly want that in favor of a Switch?
You can't take away the joy cons and you certainly can't reduce the battery power even if it's in a slightly smaller screen.

Actually, Nintendo's latest comments show that they are not working on a Handheld.

Who's to say those same 3DS owners don't consider Switch attractive enough to buy it despite a higher price?
As i have showed you, price isn't the main concern. If the product is appealing enough, those consumers who wouldn't spend more than 200 dollars on just another console, will do it in a heart beat.
And that is one of the reasons why i don't see the need for a cheap Switch. With another being that, to actually get it smaller and cheaper, it would no longer be Switch, but something else - also, not as appealing.

I have no doubt that if Switch succeeds, 3rd party games will come. My point is at what price?
Who, owning a Switch would want to buy a 3rd party game that pales in comparison to the same game on PS4/XB1, specially if they own a PS4/XB1?
I don't expect a Switch Pro to compete, but i expect it to at least stop the power difference from growing.
Also, If i'm not mistaken, Wii U couldn't even run Unreal Engine 4. Do you know how many games didn't come because of that?

The video i gave you showed that, as of May of 2013, 48 games, announced for other consoles, were not coming to Wii U.
This, i believe, shows that Wii U's problems more than began before the console came out because the decision to port it had to be made a year or so before.

Are you serious!? Offcourse they have curently lower price point on market with 2DS/3DS/3DSXL. I relly dont know what are you talking about, difrent companies operating difrent, that doesnt mean some companie is dooing right thing other wrong. Clear fact is that Nintendo operating different than Sony, and that always looking to have different price points on market in same time. Of Course that things can change but only if that make sense, and totally make sense that Nintendo release cheaper version of Switch when 3DS dies, same like there was sense to make one platform that will unified Nintendo home console and handheld platforms.

Sry but do you have some problem with reading my posts!? Like I wrote several times now,  beacus you have some people who don't need TV mode and they don't want to pay $300 for Switch, but they would pay around $200 for Switch without TV mode, you cantbet that lotsa 3DS user will upgrade on Switch Mini/Pocket. They will gain much more users buy releasing cheaper version of Switch not more expensive one than $300. More users means more sold games, that means more profit.

You can take away Dock and Joy Con and called it Switch Mini/Pocket, they can call it like ever they want. Who will want Switch Mini/Pocket!? Like I already stated 10 times to you, people who dont need TV mode and dont want to pay $300 for Switch. You missing clear point, to offer different versions of hardware with different price points, and consumer will choose version that suits them most, similar like you have with 3DS family currently, 3DS, 3DS XL and 2DS. Its very easy to understand and to see how much that actualy make sense.

Actually they said they dont working to 3DS successor at moment, but Switch Mini/Pocket would be part of Switch family not true successor to handheld and want be difrent family compared to Switch. Nintendo comment about handheld was unspecific PR talk beacuse its obvious they dont want to talk about that yet, they basicly said "we always thinking about new handheld", that could mean anuthing.

Because it's logical to assume that not all owners of console that is only handheld and had price point of $150-200, are not willing to pay $300 for new console. Some of them will defiantly buy Switch in current form, but some of them will not be will to pay $300 but they would pay $200 for instance. Like I wrote, difrente price point aiming at difrents segments of market, curently with Switch and 3DS Nintendo covers price point from $80/100 to $300, but when 3DS dies they will left with just their highest price point, and of course they work to have more affordable version of Switch that would replacement on market for 3DS price point.

 

We don't know that price. Owner who will want to play that game in handheld mode on to go, or owner who has only Switch. Switch 2 or Switch Pro or whatever will make power difrence smaller, but that really doesn't change anything, it's clear that Nintendo doesn't care of power of competition and dont have attention to compete with Pro/Scorpio. Yes, I know that Wii U didnt supported UE4 or some other standards on market, but difference is that Switch supports them all out of gate.

You need to realise that Nintendo platforms always had worse 3rd party support (actually from SNES gen) compared to competition, and that actually Wii U had solid 3rd party support for Nintendo platform with games that I mentioned, but Wii U loosed that support after terrible sales in 1st year.