GribbleGrunger said:
I only had video of it happening but unfortunately searching Youtube no longer gives me those videos ... Don't know how that happened. I could find a couple though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y597ZkuhhsA The second one might just resonate more but that should give you a quick taster. |
I stopped watching at 'Christian Broadcasting Network'. If that's not biased, I don't know what is. The video footages themselves are hard to interpret because they're quite blurry and I don't understand the language, so that doesn't help either. And finally, even if those footages are what they're claimed to be, there's no reliable indication of this being a widespread problem.
As to the first video, it seems more legit. It's still hard to know how widespread the issue is, but it seems to exist (which I didn't really doubt much). However, it didn't seem as rough as you implied either. I agree that it's still a problem, but to me, it still seems more like an integration problem than an immigration problem. I think it's pretty well understood by now that creating immigrant districts (or any districts composed mainly of a single group) is bad policy, so the fix should be relatively simple for future developments. Of course fixing the existing issues is hard because you can't forcefully move people around.
EDIT: I see you added more videos... As for the third video, that's disgusting, but doesn't seem like it's related at all to what we were discussing? Or were those immigrants? As for the fourth video, yeah, that's disgusting too. But again, I'd like to see evidence of this being a widespread issue. For all I know, these are all justs single instances where something has happened. I could probably find a ton more videos showing similar behaviour from native citizens, from a lot of countries. Does it mean it's a widespread problem? Of course not. It's a problem but not necessarily widespread.
| VGPolyglot said: Okay, a few things to address here: 1. It's impossible to not be violent if you're trying to protect yourself from a violent regime. When the American military kills thousands of people a year, and when the police force shoots and kills people on a daily basis, and attacks protesters with tear gas and pepperspray, are people just supposed to be peaceful? 2. Also, regarding the fact the protesters are destroying property: yes, it's not the ideal solution, but they've been pretty much backed into a corner. Martin Luther King said himself that "A riot is the language of the unheard", meaning that all forms of peaceful protesting have gotten them nowhere. Blacks are still unfairly treated, women's rights are still being taken away and Muslims and Hispanics are still being demonized. Now, the only way that people seem to pay attention is through riots. 3. In regards to "free speech", what do we mean by that? We should let people say whatever they want, no matter how racist it is? Because surely giving fascists "free speech" and trying to come up with a "peaceful solution" surely convinced the Nazis to be peace-loving people who cared about the rights of others, right? |
1. We're not talking about a violent regime just yet, at least internally in the United States. The police force sure is quite violent, but the regime itself isn't.
2. Doesn't mean it's a good way. It's a pretty natural symptom of the problems, but it's still not a better way to solve things. What has violence solved so far? Not much, I don't think.
3. Personally I think that free speech is a value that should be limited only under very careful consideration, but there should be limits to racism. All critical speech can and must not be quelled, but some, uh, moderation should be done. It should mostly be related to not sticking to facts and obviously inciting hate, I believe.
