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Wyrdness on 02 February 2017
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Nuvendil said:
zorg1000 said:

You are mistaking average joe for "hardcore gamers". Average Joe had alot of fun playing Wii Sports and overall look back at it fondly while the "hardcore gamer" thought it was trash because it didnt fit their definition of what a "real" game is.

And I think that this is a very incorrect perception.  The hardcore minority is actually where you will find those who actually have a balanced view of the Wii cause they actually follow trailers and news.  The shallow, "that's not a game", judge by the cover, "I don't want gimmicks!" mindset is, imho, the dominant one.  Motion controls are decidedly disliked, Wii Sports was the most ubiquitous game on the Wii, Wii Sports is all motion controls, therefore Wii=gimmicky console.  It's not that Wii Sports was entirley crap.  It was vapid and a lot of people have a pretty dang low opinion of it despite their fun times with it, but it was good for being a pack in title.  But it made the Wii a single-note devide in terms of reputation:  it WAS motion controls.  And thus the Wii brand was entirely tied to the frankly doomed reputation of said controls.  That's my whole point, the Wii was tied by Wii Sports to the ship of motion controls and had no hope of getting off and when they sunk, it went with it.

The average consumer of dedicated gaming devices NOW is not the one from the seventh gen, a gen swelled to ridiculous numbers by neighboring markets dabbling temporarily in the industry.  We are essentially back to the sixth gen makeup, an audience very much entrenched in traditional gaming.  That's your average consumer that actually cares about dedicated gaming devices at this point.  And that's the audience that has very low opinions of the Wii.   And yes that is largely tied to the motion controls that absolutely dominate people's memory of the system.  And yes, that dominance is largely due to Wii Sports and co.

Sorry mate but you're heavily wrong here, Wii Sports never hurt the Wii Brand in fact its absence on Wii U was one of the things that hurt the Wii U, the handling of the Wii U is what hurt the platform not Wii Sports that claim is just flat out wrong.