Trump bans EPA employees from giving social media updates.

[Baalzamon]

captain carot said:

Baalzamon said:
It is also very frustrating that they will utilize current temperature data for a single year (or even a few years) to justify global warming. Current weather has WAY more factors than just CO2 driving it (la nina/el nino cycles, sun, numerous other ocean cycles), and quite frankly, individual years should NOT be utilized to justify the problem we have with global warming.
But this is exactly what people do. They will broadcast that this year was the warmest on record, and then they have to add in that this is a result of us humans. That last part of the statement makes it political.

Well, current global warming is related to humans and data is not only related to one year.

 

What makes it political is that it affects us all and for the most part people that neither work to global warming nor can do much against it by themselves.

 

And about cheap, 'clean' coal and srtuff like that, official EU study: Modern and 'clean coal generates cost in the european health system between 14 and 43 billion € per year. And between 2.3 and 6.4 billion in Germany per year.

That is only one factor of many from mining damage to air pollution.

Now, CO² has many indirect side effects, like oceans getting more sour very fast which is a big issue for everything with carbonate structures (corals, mussels...) which makes it a major issue for everything waterrelated which again makes it an issue for humans.

So even if carbon dioxide had no effect on the climate (it has, question is how much it really is) there would be many reasons for getting away from coal and oil.

You completely missed the point, which is why I don't argue about this with people.

When reports come in that 2016 was the hottest on record yet again, this is then utilized as a scare tactic for global warming. One individual year.

I'm not saying CO2 has no impact. I'm saying I think there are other factors at play that have substantially more impact. The reason I say that really comes down to the 1930's through the 1970's, when global temps stayed virtually flat. If one matches that with CO2, they will notice there was no flattening or decrease during that time frame. In fact, CO2 continued to increase. Like I stated above, I am not in any way saying I disagree that CO2 has any effect. I'm disagreeing (denying if you will) that it has nearly the impact scientists continue spouting, as I think there are other major factors at work that make a much larger difference.