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barneystinson69 said:

If thats the case, I could see your point. But being up YOY in the holidays, and having new HW shouldnt result in a down year. Guess all we have is vgchartz.

No... we have MS. They have always had a habit of blowing their own horn. When they win anywhere, they are always sure to make everyone know. We are talking about a company that talks about Most Active Users in their NPD repors for crying out loud. Every single time they had been up YOY in any territory they have been sure to annouce it and talk it up.

If they were up YOY for the whole of 2016, they would waste their time talking about being up for december or having the best sales in the last half of 2016.... they would have just said they were up YOY for 2016.

Them not saying anything is actually the best confirmation we have of them not being up, more evident whn you consider the other kinda PR announcements they make.