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barneystinson69 said:

Who knows. Last time we heard numbers from MS was 2014. I'm just basing what I think is true about sakles figures for the console. 

Yes, but your whole argument hinges on the XB1 being up YOY in the US.

The problem with that is that we only know it to be up YOY in the US when looking at only the last 6 months of the year. MS never said it was up YOY in the US for the whole of 2016. And if they were they would have said it when making their most recent NPD announcement for december instead of just saying they were up YOY in the lasyt 6 months.

In all honesty, its actually a lot worse than how I am putting tif we were to be analytrical.

MS PR statement for December talked about YOY growth but only for the month of deember. Then they went on to say they were the best selling console for the last 6 months of 2016. With all that, would you  think they wouldn't have also mentioned that they had YOY growth for NA in 2016 if they were able to accomplish that? And if they are down YOY in their one major territory, how do you think it is everywhere else?