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zorg1000 said:
So apparently casuals are people who dont like to lose in games..............


If you're not willing to have some kind of "pain process" you can't really enjoy a lot of games. 

How are you going to appreciate a Zelda game if you don't like ever getting lost in a game or having to struggle to figure out how to get out of a dungeon? Or even a 2D Mario if you give up because you pushing B to run and A to jump is too complex for you? You have to be willing to be patient and "learn" a game. You have to be willing to develop your reflexes in a game. You have to be willing to adapt/learn to a game to improve at it. 

Gaming isn't always "pleasurable", it's a mix of resistance and the enjoyment from most games comes from *overcoming* that resistance, that's when it feels "good", when you beat an enemy you couldn't previously or figure out a level you couldn't previously. 

Not everything has to be for everyone. For some people, mountain climbing or biking is the best way to spend an afternoon, for other people it's torture. But that doesn't mean there's something wrong with mountain climbing. 

If you had a Wii for 5-6 years and you still can't play a 3D Mario or Zelda or Punch-Out ... really that's not Nintendo's fault.