Nikkei rumor: Nintendo Switch to cost 25000 yen ( probably 250$/250€)

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Wyrdness said:

Captain_Yuri said:

Well it shouldn't be that hard to understand. All my paragraph said is that in order for PCs to replace consoles, the public has to think about PCs as the same form factor as consoles which they do not because PCs in general are seen as desktop mid-towers. Just because there is a mini-PC form factor doesn't mean the public thinks of it as such when thinking about PCs in general. If they were to think about mini-PCs everytime someone mentions PCs, then you would have a pretty valid arguement but they don't. And how is it moving goal posts? You are the one trying to argue that just because mini-PC form factor exists, it means that PCs should have been able to replace consoles which is incorrect because you continue to ignore what the casuals think about the form factor when PC gets mentioned which is a mid-tower desktop. And that is also what you are ignoring when it comes to the Switch which looks like a 6 inch tablet and the casuals will view it as such. But hey, at least we went from a being seen as a hybrid console to "At most Switch will be seen as a portable with a tablet like design" which is progress.

How was I proven wrong with that? Just because a device is out of my impluse buy range doesn't mean they won't sell...

You said it hovers around a certain range but why did you only go up to SNES? Ps1 and ps2 both increased that range by a lot. Similarly, the PSP/DS should have had a similar affect. Sure, the sales wouldn't be 80 + 150 million again with the Vita/3ds cause of the abnormality, but it certainly should have been more than 15 million for the Vita. And the whole "it sold well cause of piracy and the Vita didn't cause it didn't have piracy" is speculation at best.

The public doesn't think in form factors they think in how they're educated, this is why PCs aren't seen as the same as consoles because over years each has been defined in a way that is now primarily accepted, they both have shared each others form factors over past decades, you were moving goal posts because your argument is essentially people will see switch as a tablet because of the form factor but when mini-PCs are brought up you start arguing sematics when the point still stands that people don't see them as consoles despite their form factor this is something you cannot argue in anyway. The same fact about PCs also rings true for brand names, Nintendo is a name that is primarily regarded for gaming only anytime people see something with Nintendo's name on it the first thing that comes to their mind is it's a gaming device, no one thought DS was a PDA device which some had the same form factor and played games for the same reason and it's the reason no one will primarily see Switch as a Tablet because a Tablet is essentially mobile's equivalent to PC while the former is a gaming platform utilizing the form factor to be a hybrid.

You were proven wrong because that price allowed impulse buys of those devices.

I showed you the range of those 2 gens to highlight how the numbers for most part stay consistent. PS1 and PS2 came in a different era, it was the jump from 2D to 3D that alone would amplify any range especially for an industry that had just revived from a crash 9 years earliar. PSP/DS wouldn't have similar effect because the boost in sales came from a blue ocean approach which invited non gamers (not casuals they've always been around and still are) and gathered mass attention to gaming while one of the devices became an emulation device where you could obtain one disc filled with roms and PSP games and just drop them on a memory stick so the PSP became a device you didn't have to pay for software, these factors inflated numbers. The number of dedicated gamers is still in the exact same range as it was before PSP/DS and will finish in a slight range increase with the factors that inflated sales removed, ironically it is the console side of things that is looking to see a decline in comparison to any previous gen in fact it may even return to pre-PS1 range.

Or you know, it is the form factor they are used to seeing/having... Most consoles, even in the past decade have not had the form factor of a standard tower PC. My argument is about public perception of the form factor which is the part that you are ignoring. If the first thing most people thought about was a mini-PC form-factor when someone mentions a PC, then the PC vs consoles would make sense. But they don't hence why it is one of the main reasons why PCs won't replace consoles and just saying because there is a mini-PC form factor means that PCs should be able to replace consoles doesn't make sense due to how different the form factor is for a mini-PC compared to a standard PC. But the Switch on the otherhand has the form factor of a tablet.

Or they bought those devices cause they had a bundle/pricecut that went into my impluse buy range or the purchasers bought it regardless of its price since they thought the value was good enough...

But that doesn't mean it couldn't have stayed at a higher number than the gba era in the post DS/PSP era. One of the main reasons it didn't is because of smartphones being a thing. The argument of emulation being the main selling factor of PSP and taking that away means its normal to have the Vita sell 15 million is nothing more than speculation. The casuals for the most part went to smartphones after the PSP/DS and they are continuing to do so hence the sales of the Vita being so low. I doubt 60+ million people bought a PSP just for piracy.