Nikkei rumor: Nintendo Switch to cost 25000 yen ( probably 250$/250€)

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Wyrdness said:

Captain_Yuri said:

How is it an attempt to dodge? You are the one changing from PCs to mini-PCs to try and make your argument stick. Yea mini-PCs are PCs but that is a sub-category of PCs that are sold and not what the general PC that is sold looks like to the masses. Also I said mini Gaming PCs aren't usually found in the local store, not mini-pcs... If you try to play AAA games with any normal mini-PC, it will say nope. And its not that simple since your inital argument of PCs vs consoles is about why PCs hasn't replaced consoles and one of the reasons continues to be what casuals think of the form factor of PCs. Because in order for PCs to even begin to replace consoles, PCs must be seen like consoles to the casuals which it isn't. And that is how the casuals will see the switch being a tablet first and a "console on the go" second. Because PCs have been around for so long that when casuals think about PCs, they think about it's form factor. When casuals think about tablets, they also think about its form factor which the Switch certainly has. 

Or price did make a difference in the long run and during that holiday season. And the PSP outselling the DS in the west for the first year doesn't mean the price didn't help... If the DS was priced as high as the PSP, the PSP possibly could have outsold it world wide and maybe even gotten closer or beat the DS. And exactly what is my impluse buy argument that you are so determined to prove wrong? I never said impluse buy automatically means more sales, I have always said that it helps a buyer choose more easily...

So 15 million Vita sales is normal to you? Okay there... Yes, GBA sold 80 million by itself... Together, the 3ds and Vita will be around that number and yea, the dedicated gamer won't move to smartphones but every generation has its fair share of casual gamers including this generation which are moving to smartphones/tablets proven by 2 platforms bearly able to make the sales of a single platform. 

It's an attempt to dodge the point because you're there arguing that form factor is what dictates things yet here you are using sematics to argue PCs and Mini PCs, the clue is in the name for you (PC), mini PC is a PC in a different form factor much like you have desktops and towers. Under the form factor logic you're arguing people should be mistaking these as consoles first right? No you even know this, why because PCs are established as something else something you've acknowledge and try to dodge as an argument because it shoots down your whole form factor stance. Nintendo is seen primarily as a gaming company having been in it for ages, people will see Switch primarily as the next GB/DS/Hybrid that uses a tablet like design but will not see it as a tablet because of the same reasons they don't see PCs as consoles.

DS and PSP were both priced with in impulse range for what they offered, you're arguing that impulse range is much more narrow than what it actually is I'm pointing out that it's simply not the case.

Your are aware of how non Nintendo portables performed before Sony tried their luck right? Non of them even came with in a sniff of 15m it was a monopoly for Nintendo, 15m Vitas is very normal because along with the 3DS the total number of portable units that will be sold this gen will be well with in range of what has normally been sold pre-DS in fact this time next year they'll surpass the GBA sales, only difference is that it's not a monopoly like before. Had the GBA had another dedicated gaming platform as competent competiton it's 80m sales would have been eaten into as well, the actual number of consumers has not dropped the DS/Wii era was just an anomaly everything has normalized.

It is very much about semantics because a mini-PC is a sub-category of PC and since your argument is about why PC hasn't taken over the consoles, it is about public perception of the form factor of PCs first and then other things second. Just because PC's can be found in smaller form factor doesn't mean the public sees the smaller form factor version when thinking about PCs hence why the form factor argument stands. And people will see the Switch as a tablet because like PCs that has had an established form factor when the casuals think about them as being mid-tower desktops, the Switch will be seen as a tablet for the very same reason.

Well you havn't exactly proven me wrong with that. The only thing you seemed to have tried to do with your arguments is try to prove that what I'd call impluse buy range devices should sell higher than ones that aren't and the ones that are priced higher should sell considerably worse which certainly isn't my argument. Sure the PSP sold well but that doesn't mean that I am wrong in my impluse buy range since that pricing is meant to help the buyer choose more easily which can be argued that it did considering the DS and etc. Of course, it doesn't mean that being within that price range will make sales happen automatically since sales always comes from a combination of things. All impluse buy pricing does is help the buyer choose more easily.

But it's not such a fixed variable. Because as an example, apart from Sega, there weren't exactly many consoles which came close to the sales of Nintendo consoles back then. And then Sony came and far surpassed Nintendo consoles with the ps1 and then the ps2 and etc which increased the size. So I wouldn't call Vita sales is perfectly normal cause the market isn't a fixed variable and just because it didn't happen pre-DS shouldn't be the case. Cause Sony came with the PSP which sold really well. Since the PSP was such a success, the Vita should have sold a lot more than 15 million even with the so called "abnormal" market during the DS era.