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JWeinCom said:
Oneeee-Chan!!! said:

So you admited XB1 down YoY.  

And  I'm not interested in  yourquibbling and word play jokes . 

Admitted?  I gotta say I'm kind of confused.  I didn't say anything about whether XBox One sales would be up or down in the first place, yet you're acting as though I'm "admitting" to something.  And I don't even understand what it meanst to "admit XB1 down YOY".  Did I have some inside knowledge from the future that I was hiding?  

I'm also not sure what word play jokes you saw.  O_o... 

bluedawgs said:

dude psvr is supply constrained currently, it sells for at the very least $400, 500 or 600 if you dont have the camera and if you want the move contollers (i paid 630 bucks for my psvr bundle) and it has only sold around 700k to a million i'd guess, so i really don't think kinect is the same as psvr at all

The PSVR was fairly available for most of october (I know I looked) and sales were basically flat for PS4 week over week and year over year.  It could be selling more with better supply, but it's not like a PS2/Wii/NES Classic situation where there are tons of people desperately waiting.

It's clearly not a system seller like Kinect, which begs the question of why the PS4 will be up big YOY.  PSVR and Pro both seem like relatively niche products, and the price was already dropped effectively 50 dollars this holiday season.  Another pricecut will help somewhat, if Sony does one, but it isn't going to be that much bigger.

So, the games lineup will have to be enough not only to overcome the natural decline in sales, but also push out a few million more units.  If you're predicting sales of about 20 million, the games have to basically be 4-5 million hardware sales better than last year's, and they really aren't.

There was no effective $50 price drop for VR or the Pro. The only 'deal' I saw involved using a target red card (in store credit card) and they also discounted nearly the entire store one day after Black Friday. Pro and VR were part of this (like I said, store wide promotion) but neither were advertised at the discounted prices nor was it common knowledge where and how to get them for cheaper than msrp. There was no "effective" price drop for either