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bluedawgs on 05 January 2017
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JWeinCom said:
Oneeee-Chan!!! said:

So you admited XB1 down YoY.  

And  I'm not interested in  yourquibbling and word play jokes . 

Admitted?  I gotta say I'm kind of confused.  I didn't say anything about whether XBox One sales would be up or down in the first place, yet you're acting as though I'm "admitting" to something.  And I don't even understand what it meanst to "admit XB1 down YOY".  Did I have some inside knowledge from the future that I was hiding?  

I'm also not sure what word play jokes you saw.  O_o... 

bluedawgs said:

dude psvr is supply constrained currently, it sells for at the very least $400, 500 or 600 if you dont have the camera and if you want the move contollers (i paid 630 bucks for my psvr bundle) and it has only sold around 700k to a million i'd guess, so i really don't think kinect is the same as psvr at all

The PSVR was fairly available for most of october (I know I looked) and sales were basically flat for PS4 week over week and year over year.  It could be selling more with better supply, but it's not like a PS2/Wii/NES Classic situation where there are tons of people desperately waiting.

It's clearly not a system seller like Kinect, which begs the question of why the PS4 will be up big YOY.  PSVR and Pro both seem like relatively niche products, and the price was already dropped effectively 50 dollars this holiday season.  Another pricecut will help somewhat, if Sony does one, but it isn't going to be that much bigger.

So, the games lineup will have to be enough not only to overcome the natural decline in sales, but also push out a few million more units.  If you're predicting sales of about 20 million, the games have to basically be 4-5 million hardware sales better than last year's, and they really aren't.

I'm not actually arguing, at this current moment, that PSVR is going to sell a bunch of PS4's. I just saw that you mentioned PSVR when talking about PS4 barely being up year on year and i think a product that expensive, that also is completely new and not super available won't start selling really well until this year or next year

edit: also i mentioned the price cut a few times now, its pretty important, especially when you take into account that PS4 actually sold for $350 for 8 months in 2016 and got a shockingly bad $50 price cut with the slim. It was up 500k year on year (6.2 million in 2016 vs 5.7 million in 2015) with the $250 deal in the holidays with at least 400k less sales in the United States in November 2016 compared to 2015 (we still don't have december numbers but if its down by a few hundered thousand units in the United States than sales are being made up for big time somewhere else)