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Soundwave on 04 January 2017
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DrDoomz said:
Soundwave said:

Their actions speak for themselves, they are very plainly doing the things here, beyond that Americans are oblivious to how Russia behaves with interfering in elections of Eastern European countries too. All the stuff they are alleged to have done in this election is stuff they already do in their playbook, and it's all for a reason.

This isn't tin foil hat ... they are actively doing this stuff. 

I'd like to have a peaceful relationship with all countries, but one can't help but be dubious of Russia's actual intentions. I would not be surprised if Putin fashions himself as a new empire kind of Russian emperor/tsar. Why not?

If you think they are just doing this as a joke, and there's no end game here and nothing to worry about at all, well lets hope you're right. But I think you're wrong.

The DNC is the one using racial tensions most effectively (tho the RNC is not guilt free either). Not Russia. The UK separated from Europe on its own. You have proof of relevant Russian influence? They invaded Crimea (w/c is one reason I dislike Putin, a lot) w/c is perhaps the only thing that Russia did even remotely close to what the book is saying. And I'm thinking the US has as much interest in making the EU its puppet as Russia, so that's a non-point.

Put down the hat, buddy. And don't strawman what I said. I'm not saying Russia is your friend. I'm saying that it is silly to think anyone is, and we should employ healthy suspicion/skepticism with everyone's intentions but let's not go overboard villifying one group just because they wanted to getTrump elected (btw, my wife voted HRC and I strongly supported her even tho I couldn't vote as I am not a citizen yet).

You are welcome to be dubious. But best be dubious with everyone if you think that interests that go against the US = reason for doubt. Don't use double standards.

You also shouldn't confuse the Scarecrow with the Joker. One is far more dangerous. 

Countries typically try to get in good with US politicans for gain on a domestic/local scale ie: Saudi Arabia and Israel. Saudi Arabia has a population smaller than Canada, their geopolitical ambitions in the broader sense are realtively small potatoes. They basically want a nice price for oil and want to pay off politicans on both sides that are favorable to that. 

Russia will always be a big player globally, for a number of reasons, their size, their history, the number of global regions they border, etc. 

There is only one country as far as I can tell that is actively trying to sabotage/influence US elections and have a global agenda. That makes one different from the others. Very different. You can try and hand wave that away but that doesn't change the reality of it.