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Soundwave on 04 January 2017
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DrDoomz said:
Soundwave said:

I would like it to rain candy and lollipops, the world doesn't work that way. There is no such thing as a "non-centric world", not even in the movies. 

Like I said the guy who's trying to be your friend because he wants date your sister is not one and the same with the guy who's planning to get her drunk and rape her. You probably want to pay more attention to that second guy as his motivations are clearly different. Motviations are very important. 

Countries like Saudi Arabia and Israel have no benefit in undermining the US, they enjoy a good relationship and their ambitions are largely regional/domestic even if they are not the perfect friends, and quite honestly neither has overwhelmingly ever backed one candidate while actively trying to sabotage another in an election cycle. 

My point, is that any one country having worldwide influence and control is only really good for said country. With how much crap the US caused in the Middle East, at this point, other countries don't really see you much better than Russia.

Your analogy is false, as we are talking about interests and not motivations/plans. And one does not really know what the true motivations/plans of foreign powers are. Regardless of how hard we try and tinfoil hat it. We can, however, guess at what likely would be their interests. Essentially, we know both guys wanna have sex with my friend. We don't know which one would rape her or date her. All we got are suspicions.

Seeing as Saidi Arabia is one of the biggest financiers/breeding ground of Islamic terrorism, I would be inclined to disagree. Russia may have allegedly (with circumstantial evidence) influenced the elections. Saudi Arabia might have had a hand in 9/11.

And you're just simply arguing in a tangent now. You have missed my original point completely and are now just misdirecting the flow of the conversation.

Actually you can read Russia's intentions, they have several books that outline them pretty clearly. 

Foundations of Geopolitics is required reading by military brass in Russia:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

Written in 1997, it outlines some fairly eerie objectives that are definitely bearing fruit today namely the establishment of a new Russian Eurasian Empire .Some of its objectives

1.) To destabilize the US and to gain "strategic control" without having to engage in direct warfare. 

2.) To get the UK to seperate from Europe. 

3.) Annexation of Ukraine

4.) The ultimate goal is the "Finlandization" of Europe, meaning all of Europe becomes like an effective Russian bloc. 

Here's the bit about the US:

Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics."

Yeah but sure. Maybe it's all just a misunderstanding and they're just doing this because they like Trump. Some how though I doubt it. They are using him like a puppet.