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Soundwave on 04 January 2017
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DrDoomz said:
Soundwave said:

When is the last time a foreign government *actively* interjected themselves into a US election by doing things like trying to actively doing things like hacking into computers to favor one candidate over another? 

The Saudis or Chinese or whoever may donate to a favorable candidate (though often they just donate to both sides), but this is the first time I can recall an American election having active involvement from a foreign government, one which is lets not kid ourselves, hostile to the United States.

Even at the height of the Cold War, Russia would not have dared then to try to interfere with an American election. 

I read the report. Not entirely convinced this was Russian intelligence tbh. It was mostly circumstantial evidence.

How is donation not active "interjection"? Just because we've never heard of something, doesn't mean they didn't try. Secrecy is the whole point of espionage. The US meddles in foreign policy/governments/elections all the time. Is it only bad when someone else does it to you? And there are many approaches to espionage. W/c is mostly done to exploit weaknesses. Which takes us back to my original point: the hacks exposed a vulnerability in the parties. It is now up to them to protect themselves from such attacks. It does not excuse those that engage in espionage when caught, however.

I notice a bit of arrogance, with a touch of hypocrisy, tho.

"We can do it to others, but don't dare do it to us!!"

The Saudis, as ass backwards as some of their domestic policy might be, don't really have any active interest in destablizing the United States as whole.

The Russians do. That to begin with is a fairly large difference. 

They have military textbooks that state they want the United States to collapse upon itself due to isolationist and racial disharmony (hmm, what kind of candidate would you want in that case? Hmmmm), UK to alienate itself from Europe (hello Brexit!), Ukraine annexed, and wish to see the "Finlandization" of Europe, if you're not familiar with that term is a Cold War term when Russia didn't directly invade Finland but basically had so much influence over Finland that it was a puppet state in effect.