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Nymeria on 30 December 2016
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haxxiy said:
Nymeria said:

I would say Force Awakens was the biggest stakes film ever made.  Disney had to have it be a massive success, so they had to make something with wide appeal that would appease old fans while being welcoming to new ones.

I don't envy Adrams for having to contend with that weight of expectations.  I just hope seeing its success and Rogue One's success lets them know that VIII can go into new territory more because the characters were fun to me so can work with what they have.

Lucasfilm had an operating income of nearly a billion a year even before the new trilogy, Disney basically gave George Lucas a handful of loose change for it - not that the man specifically set out to make a great deal with his former company. Star Wars has a mindshare way beyond the critical success of a couple of movies, and standards aren't exactly right. No excuses here for making the new movie the cheap copy of a previous one. I mean, Cameron spent $500 million with Avatar, copied the plot from Pocahontas and went on to make billions, at least Abrams and the others at least should have plagiarized something else than the very series they were making a movie on. That would have been less jarring TBH.

OT - I just watched it yesterday after avoiding a whole week of crowded sessions. Excelent movie. Much better than the knock-off that I mentioned already. For the first time we got a sense of how terrifying the superweapons can be, when there's characters and locations were invested on at stake, instead of planets we are seeing exactly the moment before they go caput. Also loved watching Vader make his way through the rebel scum. Amazing. CGI Tarkin was great; Leia was a bit "eh", but I guess they could still fix it on subsequent releases, and overall it doesn't detract from the whole experience.

 

 

Star Wars VII was guaranteed to make a billion dollars, but the issue was Disney wanted it to make a minimum of 1.5 billion which is incredibly rare.  It is 100% these movies will make money, the expectation from corporate is they make a certain amount of profit.

My expectations for VIII are that it will be good, but not great.  I hope they understand so much of what Empire great was not just "being dark", but that it expanded the universe and gave us great characters such as Lando or Yoda.

I agree Rogue One was first time since Empire Strikes Back I had any fear about the Empire and appreciated their scope and power.  The detruction of the city was actually scarier than the destruction of a planet or planets for me.  That sense of inevitable death from the ground was haunting.  I do wish that spending more time with Jyn and Kasian gave it a bit more emotional punch.