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Turkish on 25 December 2016
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Hiku said:

Western titles probably don't want to have aerial combat as a design choice, so that takes out a big element from Nier's combat.
However, you could compare Ni-Oh to Witcher 3 instead, and I think even there, Ni-Oh's combat looks a lot more refined and fluid.

I still have Heart of Stoen and Blood and Wine to finish, I'll get to them around February, which means Ni-oh month. I'll probably be ranting then as well lol...

Jpcc86 said:
Yeah, Witcher 3 has a simplistic combat, but the game is an amazing experience from begining to end. The characters, world design, lore, everything is incredibily detailed and fantastically done. Don't get me wrong, I agree with the combat being too simple for a game so elaborated, but a game is the sum of its parts, not one of them alone. And I insist, your judgement is exagerated. A game doesnt win over 250 goty awards by being terrible in something so important.
For me Nier's looks great, but japanse games usually dont elaborate as much on all the details, and thats what usually loses me. Even franchises that used to do it, like FF, have lost it. So for me it could go either way, I have to play the game to judge it.

Yeah everything else about W3 is a 9/10, but the combat is a huge part in a game like this, and it drags the other parts down which makes the sum not as good as it should be.

BraLoD said:
Turkish said:

Most sword/melee combat in Western games look like derivatives of each other, they all go for that scripted, automated feel. There 's a terrible lack of variation. There was a Western pc game from early 00s which had a distinct combat system, forgot the name. The devs did their own thing due to the lack of AAAA titles to copy from.

It's such a shame becuz W3's quests are the best in business.

Some side quests are so good they can be their own game.

And I disagree about Scalebound, it'll turn out good, trust Kamiya.

Scalebound was once Lost Odyssey to me, a game that truly interested me on XBO, but differently from Lost Odyssey, as they keep on showing it, they keep making me less and less interested, sadly.

I hope it turns out well, I just platined Okami and ffs, what a beautiful, amazing game, so yeah, I want to believe it'll still be good, but it doesn't look likely to happen, but hopefully the delay is exactly for that.

Yeah the E3 showing this year was bad, maybe it's just becuz of the drab color palette of everything in that boss fight room. I liked what they showed last year. The delay means it'll get the necessary polish.

Btw, Nier Automata is different than the brown games of last generation, in Nier's case it just works. Try out the demo!