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DonFerrari said:
BMaker11 said:

1. Trump lies and say what he need to get the votes, that is no news, and so did Hillary. Wasn't that quite the agreement here?

2. No man, don't confuse transgender/genderbend with social construction of gender. I don't (and even science have a consensus) on why and how transex, gays and etc happens but they do and is undeniable. What I'm talking about is a woman not being a woman, but becoming a woman because of cultural oppresion and social construction. That is bullshit and tries to deny genes.

3. Sure is, socialism and comunism is a bad thing and government overpowering and intervening is quite bad. And only if you are anarchocapitalist you would consider border safety, state police a form of socialism, but ok if you do. Yes I know the infraestructure is seldoomly used to be maintained by the government and usually with less efficiency than by private organizations (in Brazil you have quite the discrepancy between roads maintained by both). Public education could be a lot better by being offered through private schools, and if you decide to go on "they can't afford" I recommend you look at the voucher concept. I'm not even American or over 40 to be a McCarthy era person.

4. So Cuba, China, Venezuela, Laos, Camdodja, Half of Africa are top rankers? Or you are going for the fallacia that Sweden is socialist? Nope, they have free market, although very high taxes and looking at very deep problems at the moment.

You are making so much assumptions that it isn't even fun. One of the biggest reasons for healthcare being so expensive in USA is on government involvement that raise the price of the service because they will be paid anyway.

But if you want you can live in your world of assumptions and denying of economics and believe that it's all for the greater good.

1. The problem with "Trump lies" is that he was pretty much a Democrat his whole life and sang nothing but their praises. But as soon as a black guy won, he latched on to the birther movement and then morphed into someone who hates Democrats. He didn't just lie, he did complete 180s. From "the economy does better under Democrats" and "Bill Clinton was a great president" and "at minimum, Hillary will be known as a great senator" to "Democrats ruin the economy" and "NAFTA was terrible and Bill Clinton is a rapist" and "Hillary hasn't done anything for 30 years". That's a lot different than "I was under sniper fire in Bosnia". 

2. I'll concede on that gender fluidity point. As I said, gender dysphoria is a thing, but people who think gender isn't a binary construct are nuts. 

3. I guess I'm an anarchocapitalist then. Why are all those things ok to use tax dollar for, but extending it to a college education isn't? It literally follows the same principle. Using tax dollars for a public good. You mention how education and infrastructure would be better handled by a private organization. Why not privatize the police? Our departments would be "better" then, right? And you don't need to be old to have socialism be a trigger word. The disdain for socialism was pushed by McCarthy and it's pervasive to this day. You've got 20 year old conservatives who hate it because their grandparents told their parents, who told them, about how terrible socialism is. 

4. Today I learned Cuba, China, Venezuela, Laos, Cambodia, and half of Africa were industrialized, western civilizations. FYI, Sweden follows the Nordic Model, which is a mix of capitalism and socialism, which is what most people who want "socialism" in the US advocate for. And has universal healthcare. And a I think Finland, another Nordic Model country, actually offers free college not just to its citizens, but to international students as well (but you still have to cover your own living expenses). Also, another FYI, Singapore, New Zealand, Switzerland, Australia, Canada, Ireland, the UK, all rank higher than the US in economic freedom, with Lithuania and Denmark barely behind. All countries with advanced, industrialized economies; and all have the "socialism" that you say is bad. In fact, I think you specifically tried to undermine my point by mentioning Cuba, China, Venezuela, and Laos, which are all communist. You picked a bunch of shitty nations that didn't fit the description in any sort of way, then latched onto the "socialist communist" style of thinking, which I specifically called out, and in conflating the two economic systems, you now say "see, these countries are crap. Socialism = bad". 

Lastly, the reason that healthcare is so expensive isn't because of government interference. It's because it's a profit driven industry (when it shouldn't be). Couple that with the fact that everyone is susceptible to getting sick (i.e. health is not a luxury item like a car; it's something that affects everyone), yet not everyone can afford health insurance; when a poor person has that $200,000 surgery that they can't pay for or gets meds daily meds prescribed to them that they can't afford, the hospitals are still going to get their money, one way or another. So, that drives up the premium costs for those who do have insurance, which then, in turn, makes it even more unaffordable to less fortunate people. The government is only starting to intervene, now, because healthcare costs have run amuck. These are facts. 

I don't think at any point I've "denied economics". You, on the other hand, apparently, refuse to "accept economics" for models that work and benefit everyone in the society that such models are used.