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disolitude said:

Well you people want low price point, better graphics, full backwards compatibility, motion controls, diverse library out of the gate, Bluray...anything else the next gen consoles need to work on?


This is called a straw man argument for a number of reasons:

1. Nobody expects a console to be cheap when it's released, especially the people posting here.

2. Better graphics are to be expected at least every five years, period. Technology moves on and you can get, at the very least, a substantial increase in performance at the same price you paid for a console debuting half a decade earlier--even if they're 'only' Wii-caliber.

3. You can't bang the drum about backwards compatibility then fail to deliver it. People act as if anyone that expects this expects it because they are owed it--people expect it because the companies promised it. When they take it away a la MS and, to a lesser degree, Sony, consumers have a right to be upset about it, especially when they paid money for a product that they were under the impression would have something more than, at best, a half-hearted effort (I'm with those that don't care how 'how hard it is'--the people at MS are not stupid and knew exactly how difficult it would be. The *only* reason it's as lackluster as it is is because they do not devote the resources to it...the difficulty factor is another straw man, btw, constructed by the fans and not even by MS).

4. Who expects motion controls? As I recall, outside of the Wii which comes with them, nobody really wanted them in the PS3--most preferred rumble, given the choice, instead of the half-assed implementation Sony used (the method, as it turns out, that MS tried back in the 90s that *nobody* cared about--I had one of those pads, and I sure as hell didn't care either because the implementation in games was mostly shoddy).

5.  As for the library comment, who expects there to be a game that meets every taste out of the gate? Does anyone really expect this? That plays games a great deal? When looking at the landscape of console launches of the past?

6. Nobody wanted Blu-ray except Sony--especially after the initial price was mooted.

7. You should blame them: they made promises they aren't keeping. It's thinking like this that allowed MS to walk all over people about the RROD for as long as they did (and same for Sony with the PS2) and, if not for the fact that it was a near-terminal illness for all first-gen hardware, they would have happily ignored it forever. By your logic they had a right to do it: after all, "those companies need to make money too..."

8. *You* think we get plenty for what we pay and a lot of people would disagree with that--most would believe that getting a console that actually functions for its entire 5-year (at least!) lifespan would be the top of the list on what we should get for our money. Hell, i can't even use the $100 wireless adapter on my 360 because MS lied about it being compatible with WPA2, but that's OK because "companies nee to make money too...", right?