Trump: 'Nobody Really Knows' If Climate Change Is Real

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thranx said:

Pemalite said:

To assume that a particular God is going to interfere with "Earth" is a baseless assumption, ignoring the fact there is no evidence to support the existence of a deity anyway. - Regardless of which of the several thousand Gods you believe in.

This Earth will eventually be destroyed when Sol (Our Sun) becomes a Red Giant. Our Atmosphere, oceans, everything, will be evaporated. - It is just a matter of time, not if. - And there is nothing any of the thousands of Gods that various people believe in, will do to stop it.
The Suns fuel is finite.

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As for Climate Change. It is real. Majority of scientists, weather researches, institutions/organizations/governments support it's happening.

There is undeniable proof.

We have records from Tree rings that points to increases in carbon.
We have records in our Arctic regions via Ice-pole gathering that points to increases of Carbon and other gases.
We have recorded what gases take up what amount in our atmosphere for decades, which has seen constitent increases in Carbon.
We have recorded increases in sea levels.
We have recorded increases in carbonic acid in our oceans.
We have recoded increases in desertification.
We have recorded average increases in temperature.
We have recorded increases in catastrophic weather events.

We can observe the effect that Carbon has in trapping thermal radiation in a scientific laboratory. Ergo. Carbon would have the *exact* same effect in our atmosphere trapping thermal radiation from our Sun.

The only people who can deny Climate Change are idiots or who have an ulterior motive. (Aka. Money.)
Trump is clearly both, an idiot and has an ulterior motive. (Business.)

And why dont they include sun activity, and the role the sun plays? I mean it is the source of our heat right? But lets forget about that and focus on a non harmful gas that feeds plants. If i'm not mistaken at one point the sarah desert was at one point not a desert, but it is now and that happened before the industrial revolution. who is to blame for that one?

NASA has recorded solar events for decades. The Sun typically has a 11 year cycle, which can be shorter or longer, but not outside of an observable window.

And you are correct. There are some natural processes, such as deserts forming... But that was done over a stupidly long period of time, today it is occuring on a much faster scale.
I went to the Australian Great Barrier Reef back in the 90's... Then again just a couple of years ago and went to the same place. Everything was dead due to the coral being bleached far to many times and struggling to recover.

You cannot deny the empirical evidence.

thranx said:

Ha ha ha. Never heard of it. You must really research the science than.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling

And yes of course they downplay it. In hindsight everything is clear, just like gobal cooling, global warming will be looked at as a joke. Especially since the evidence just inst there. But hey lets kill our economies over it and let worse polluters take charge will we hurt ourselves

Edit: sorry didn't read your whole post. It went from global warming to climate change because the eveidence isn't there. there is a reason the public doesn't care, its not affecting them. All thats been happening is wordplay

How can you ignore the evidence? The entire planets scientific community is by the majority, behind Global Warming and thus Climate Change.
You know... The people responsible for our current technological level and standard of living? Who have spent billions of dollars and decades upon decades studying this issue?
Are you smarter than the majority of the worlds scientists? Why can't the majority of the entire planets scientific community not be trusted?

Global cooling was never backed by the majority of the worlds scientific community, so it's just grasping at straws.

mrstickball said:

You need fracking even for renewables. When wind/solar don't run, you need backups, and combined cycle gas plants are the most favored for that. Additionally, the lower gas prices go, the quicker coal gets phased out. Gas is at least 50% cleaner than coal, so it'd help quite a bit, among other things.

Well. You can start by capturing that carbon and storing/using it.

However... Wind and Solar is not the only form of renewable and clean energy production.
Geothermal, Nuclear, Hydro are all great base-load power generators.
Solar Thermal can store the thermal energy from the sun and store that thermal energy in large salt tanks so that it can produce energy 24/7.

Renewable Energy is a massive world-wide market, it is best to take part of that, invent and improve technology's and make some jobs for yourselves.

I am a firm believer though of using the best form of power generation for the given geographical area. - It would be blatantly stupid to build a coal plant when you have an abundance of geothermal capacity.
And it would be stupid to build a water-intensive Nuclear plant in the middle of a desert with an abundance of Solar and Thermal radiation to take advantage of.

bdbdbd said:

Trump's neutrality towards pretty much everything can be good or a bad thing. Which will it be, we'll see in the future. I have my hopes high that this will return the talk back to science and facts.

Trump is not Neutral. He is a conservative, which means he is against "change" or anything that distrupts the status quo.
He is also a protectionist.