November 2016 NPD Thread! Hardware estimates in the OP!

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Intrinsic said:

Why I say you are fanning the flames is cause you arent only jumping the gun and being somewhst sensationalist, you are doing so while ignoring a lot of factors.

Games sell hardware, that has always been the case and will comtinue to be the case. Its why Japan so sony's best november so far. Its why NA is down now cause as many have pointed out to you, this november is nothing like last years on the software front. COD was literally down by almost 50%!!! And that game is biggest in NA.

Then you talk about a decline when sony clewlry pointer out they have had the best BF in playstation history, which clearly indicates that NA is not even their biggest market. And that they did very well everywhere else. 

And then you also have to consider that the biggest hitters of this gen are not even here yet, it really just seems like you are cherry picking information to suit your narrative. 

How can you say Sony is in trouble when by the end of this year they very well could have sold over 54M consoles? In three years? That's PS2/Wii level numbers right there!! 

And lastly, No company, including MS is structured to keep bleeding money. It's a business not a charity. That's why companies have divisions, if a division isn't doing well, they will cut it off eventually. Look at Apple with the iPod? you think Apple doesnt have the money to keep supporting the iPod if it wanted to? But it's tapering it off because it's become redundant. When the scorpio is released, if it doesn't turn things around for MS, believe me when I say that wouldn't bode well for the Xbox division. 

And domt forget, PlayStation isn't just consoles. We also have PSVue and PS+ which this gen is pulling in a lot of subscriptions. 

long and short of it is, it's not as bad as you make it sound and then there is a lot more to all of it than you are writing. You saying you are being objective just makes it worse cause you aremt looking at all the data. 

Great post, PlayStation is absolutly vital to Sony. They need to contiue to branch out the division and build their own mobile and portable devices around the PS4 OS and PSN. Even Sony TV's, Reciever's, Camcorderss, and Camera's should run on a Sony OS instead of being dragged down by Android. Moving to a One Sony mindset around a unified company OS will solidify their posisition in the future of electronics. If they continue to ride on others coat tails, they will eventually fall again, and if they fall again, they won't get back up. 

I could definitly see Microsoft rebranding the Xbox as Surface TV if they don't succeed with the Scorpio. As stupid as it may be, that rebranding, could be a major boon to the device, as it would disconnect it from the plague of being a "gaming" device. Even if it was exactly the same device, with all the functionallity MS has added to XBO and the UWA furute of Windows, it could completely click with people, and end up being the iPhone moment for consoles as a replacement for PC.