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AsGryffynn on 12 December 2016
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Rafie said:
AsGryffynn said:

I think his definition of arrogance might be "not trying as hard as the competitor", a sentiment which I strongly share. And yes, you are able to change your background on the Xbox One for free. Also, actual complaints regarding the PS4. 

 

  • Limitation of mod support
  • Lack of plug and play external storage
  • Lack of more efficient removable battery wireless controllers
  • Poor server framework (they've done a lot, but they're still sort of sluggish and unstable) 
  • The rise in pricing (again, they were doing all right before)
  • No UHD BD on the Pro
  • No cross region purchases (purchasing from the JP store in XBL was relatively hassle free. The JP PSN Store where it actually makes sense? It's a clusterfuck)
  • PC Support (MS dropped the ball here, this was either a very good or very bad thing, but I think it was very good and Sony still refuses to start porting their exclusives to PC) 
  • Budget and quality controls (as mentioned before, a reason many JP games don't make it to the Xbox One seems to be thanks to a policy created to weed out shovelware titles. The policy sets a minimum of 200000 physical discs as a sales quota to be fulfilled by any dev not an indie)
  • Adding to the one above, a lot of PS games bank on cheap sex sells tactics rather than seeming compelling (around the vast majority of whatever it might be Idea Factory creates)
  • Refusal to allow localizations of certain games (DOAX3 and Grisaia were both to be localized, and Sony blocked them. In the former, at least Kecmo decided before they were told they'd veto the localization anyways while Grisaia was blocked on the spot) 
I think they aren't terribly bad, but they definitely are the kind of dev I don't like. They act in a way that benefits devs more than gamers. MS initially tried to cosy up to AAA devs but gamers reacted badly, but since Sony did this covertly they were able to run away with a free pass. 
I don't consider it fair, but then again, with generations, if you drop the ball at the start, you are sort of down... 
Even if you're not out. 

 

Some of the gripes are legitimate complaints. Then there are some that's just being either picky or it doesn't matter to the mass consumer for the most part. Just like the UHD blu ray drive. Not everyone cares about that. Some people barely ever use their blu ray drive even now. They're streaming it off of Netflix, Hulu, etc. I know you can the color of your background on Xbox One and even use achievement art (like I do) and make it your background. That's definitely a legitimate complaint. Sony should do that as well. Now as for the bullet points

* Sony is doing mod support. It may be limited now, but it's gradually getting there. So I don't think it's a big gripe.

* What they failed to do on external HD, the excelled in internal HD. Something Xbox doesn't do, so it cancels out. Still a legitimated complaint. Not arrogance on Sony's part.

* I certainly agree here. Again, not arrogance though.

* I don't think that the online is that big of a difference anymore. Not like how it was on PS3 vs 360 where the 360 was top dog on online play. It's pretty much on the level with XBL. Even if XBL still has the superior online infrastructure. Once more....that's not cocky or arrogant. That's just something that the competitor does better. No offense to Nintendo, but their online is more sluggish and unstable.

* Everybody inflates pricing at one point with certain features. Not going to count that against them. Everyone does it for the most part.

* Legitimate complaint about the hassle of cross region store. Although Xbox doesn't have a lot of Japanese games to really warrant a purchase in their market. PlayStation has hundreds. Still, I care about buying from a JPN PSN Store.

* Here's where I disagree. Sony is their own entity. They may not want to share everything with the PC regarding their exclusives. I certainly don't blame them. It's why some people say that Xbox is losing it's identity. Damn near every game Xbox is getting will be on PC. Sony doesn't seem to want that and I can't blame them. PC would really be the place to play any game you want, thus making the consoles pretty much obsolete.

* No comment

* Variety is variety. PlayStation doesn't use every single game as a "sex tactic" to entice consumers. That's just not right. I will admit that there are more suggestive games on PlayStation than on Xbox and Nintendo. I just don't think they bank on it. To a certain degree I suppose.

* No comment about this last point and it's certainly legitimate. Even I STILL wonder about that.

 

I'm confused about the whole Sony "convertly" thing. Do we have proof about this? I'm really curious. I'm not being passive agressive. I've heard claims since the announcements of both the Xbox One and PS4 and no one I've seen yet has definitively had proof about this.

PS3 dropped the ball big time last gen and it took years for them to recover. They ended up going toe to toe with the 360 towards the end. Whose to say that it can't happen for the Xbox One. I personally don't believe that the Xbox One is a bad console at all. No where near it in fact. I love my Xbox One. The one gripe I have about it is the fact that they share damn near every game with the PC now. For me personally! I know for PC gamers that it's a godsend and it prevents them from buying consoles. I'm glad for now that Sony doesn't do that. If Sony and Nintendo (Sony more than likely than Nintendo will) ever did that, then consoles will be dead. Period. Hopefully I didn't stray too much off topic.

Hence why I illustrate them as my personal choices, but I think some are outright lack of oversight or thinking they don't have to when yes, if your competitor apparently seems to be trying, you do have to or you will be thought of as not trying as hard as they are. Intent represents a lot of what the company will do to obtain new customers. If a guy offered me 100,000 dollars and another offered me 10,000 but the former only cut his arm and the other was willing to saw off all his limbs for the sake of impressing me, I'd take the later in a heartbeat only to keep him or her from harming himself in a horrible way. 

  • Until they allow external content, I am afraid they will not have my support. Part of the mod's advantage was free content generation, ambience manipulation... In other words, creating a completely different game striking your fancy. This might only be achievable with external content. 
  • The problem seems to be convenience. It's not as easy to buy and install an external HD as it might be a SSD or HDD. 
  • No support for thumb drives either. But the most annoying part was there's no reason not to. The hardware has the ability to handle it (all Linux/FreeBSD systems do). 
  • In other words, they aren't allowing it because they don't want to. When a decision has negligible costs, when it isn't done anyways, it hints at an arrogant approach to options for the user. 
  • Again, arrogance. Why? Because the cost will be non existent! They still say "lol no". Seriously, if people want X, you give it to them, especially when it will help your audience. 
  • The problem with this was that they still leave a lot to be desired compared to MS and charge the same bloody price. You improve the service first and then charge the same price or charge slightly less. Now they're matching the price I'd expect the same performance, but if they are to be trusted, almost everyone says the service works the same. 
  • And I still wonder why Sony will not change things around, especially when many of these games are more expensive on those stores anyways. 
  • Fair enough. I think PC support represents a positive, but might be a fad or something they aren't able to do with the same efficiency as their competitors. 
  • As a whole, you'd be surprised at the amount of adverts for the PSV these games obtained. 
  • Seriously, it was annoying. I really hope they decide hostility against these games might be the best way not to look hypocritical (we are promoting Monster Monpiece and then blocking DOAX3... Seriously?) 
The thing with Sony was their marketing didn't have the whole DRM bollocks tacked to it and they didn't tell the whole world they were doing this sort of stuff... But they had gradually started to tighten control of their environment, from the region locking, to the price hikes, to promoting games years before they appear... To having a laundry list of games that sell well below expectations and supporting them anyways because devs believe they are inherently better... To announcing mod support and then announcing half baked variants of these features. 
In other words, the only difference was MS was upfront on what they were planning to do. Sony was planning to do this only when they had a clear lead and thus were unable to be refused. Hell, MS originally limited game sharing on their plans, then when they rolled it back in favor of the UWP approach, they started floating the idea of digital game sales. 
That was the moment (and owning a PSVita of course) that made me realize they really weren't the heroes everyone made them out to be and that they had effectively not learned from the PS3 fiasco, while MS did learn from the Wii (they were the ones who started the Kinect craze, it wasn't known as the PSEye craze for a reason).