Why Trump supporters stand by debunked claim

[Mr Puggsly]

BMaker11 said:

Mr Puggsly said:

Alcohol is already legal and has harsh penalties for using it illegally. Incase you weren't aware.

I find it hard to believe somebody that works a full time job can't seem to find an opportunity to eventually get a state ID. Again, you just expect too little of people.

One last time, I believe the required ID for voting should state ID or military ID. Those seem to be accepted in states requiring ID.

Are you really treating ACLU and KKK as equals? A terrible argument I could only get from a dem, the ACLU reflects the views of many left wing voters and politicis. The left does not repudiate ACLU, they support them. The right does repudiate the KKK, they're a fringe extremist group. More proof your arguments are weak.

I believe some democrats support the national ID, but I also believe much and maybe most wouldn't support it for reasons I listed.

Obama's immigration reform was more interested in amnesty. While Trump is more intersted in dealing with criminal illegals first then maybe we'll talk amnesty. Perhaps people didn't trust Obama because he wasn't tough enough on criminal illegals. I genuinely hope a reasonable solution is found during the Trump administration.

I lean right politically, but a lot of my social views are more libertarian. Not all dems support legalization of marijuana by the way. I'm in Arizona and legalization of marijuana lost big because dems didn't support it either.

Man, this is frustrating. My last response, and then I'm done. 

1. About alcohol: yes, I know it's legal. Hence the point of my comparison. Surely you didn't miss that point. Alcohol is way more detrimental to a person, much more damaging. Yet, it's legal, because we place the responsibility on the user and enact laws to punish those who are irresponsible. So, why is marijuana, which is medically safer in all aspects, illegal? The same arguments that keep alcohol legal logically make sense for marijuana

2. About IDs: you "find it hard to believe....."; for the last time, things that may not affect you, may affect others. You need to accept that. I don't expect too little of people. I'm empathetic to their position. Like I said, even I wasn't able to get an ID at first. You seem to lack that empathy. Just look at your statement saying you believe only state and military ID should be used. You are for more restrictive voter ID. Why is military ID ok, but not a college ID? Military ID doesn't show where you live at, and non-citizens can be in the military (albeit, they must be a green card holder). This falls right in line with Republicans finding out which IDs minority most often use, then making them ineligible to vote. 

3. About the ACLU: it seems you really think ACLU = Democratic platform. You really are misguided and stuck in your bubble, or at least, you only hear what you want to hear. Anyway, forget the KKK then. What about the Family Research Council? They lobby to make sure gays have absolutely 0 rights. They aren't "fringe". The Republican Party doesn't repudiate them. So that means their values represent the whole Republican Party, then. You look extremely silly when you say an interest group represents an entire party's values. You should know better. 

4. About National ID: it doesn't matter what you believe or how you feel. I've already given you the facts that show your belief on this issue is wrong. 

5. You'd think Democrats would be all for marijuana legalization, but as you've pointed out, Democrats in Arizona don't want it. Funny, just prior, you acted like everything was a monolith and because the ACLU is against National ID, and they're left wing, then all (or most) Democrats are against National ID. Yet, in your own backyard, there's proof that it's not a monolith on a particular issue. So, why is it that when the ACLU is against something, it means most Democrats are against it; but when actual Democratic voters in your state didn't support  marijuana, it's not indicative of the rest of Democrats (as many more Democrats are for its legalization)? I know I said I'm done after this, so I shouldn't end with a question....but the cognitive dissonance here is astounding. 

1. I don't disagree, remember I'd like to see it decriminalized. One of the biggest reasons I feel it wasn't leagalized in AZ was they wanted the tax revenue to go to schools. Its odd to discourage kids from doing marijuana while using that tax revenue to improve their schools. I think that rubbed a lot of people the wrong way and AZ said, "No thanks, we don't want your drug money."

2. It might take a little time for people to get a state ID for reasons, but we should all get it done. I don't know why you think this is unreasonable, its just part of living your life in this country. Its something you use when getting a job as well.

3. In my opinion, based on a little research, the Family Research Council is a relatively small group that pushes the stuff you would expect from many Christians, left or right voters. I know democrats that support the same things as Family Research Council because of religious reasons. You're grasping at straws. You keep comparing ACLU with divisive groups. I believe the ACLU in allgned with the most left wing voters, just go look up their positions and its a lot of the same stuff Obama and HIlary push. Trump didn't get great support pushing christian or KKK values, he primarily ran as a populist that values western culture.

4. Hey, lets just wait and see how dems respond to such an idea in the future. When they hear its more government watching them and it would be a burden for the poor/minorities, it won't go well. It might require them to visit an office like state IDs! If you think state IDs are pain the ass, national IDs will be a disaster.

5. Again, part of the reason I feel marijuana legalization didn't pass in AZ was they wanted to give the drug money to schools. They should have started with decriminalization, not full blown legalization while giving kids drug money. ACLU from my understanding wants decriminalization.