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Soundwave on 07 December 2016
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Mr Puggsly said:
BMaker11 said:

People who are against marijuana and have legitimate reaasons for it can voice those legitimate reasons. "Think of the children" isn't a legitimate reason. It's a reason to tug on the heartstrings of uninformed people. If we "thought of the children" for everything, we wouldn't have anything. Because you can OD on Tylenol. You can crash a car. You can catch a house on fire. At some point, some personal responsibility has to come into play. 

I'm glad you think that people who have trouble getting an ID should be assisted. But sadly, that isn't the reality. Republicans actively suppress the vote, as I've stated and provided proof of. Otherwise, when they enact laws that make only "certain kinds" of ID acceptable to vote, they would pass contingent laws to help people obtain them, that need help. But they don't do that. 

And yes, the ACLU does defend them for freedom of speech. They defend their right to say it, they don't defend the speech itself. They are the American Civil Liberties Union. They believe a National ID with biometric information would be a violation of privacy, which they believe affects people's civil liberties, hence why they are against it. But the ACLU isn't the Democratic party platform. The ACLU isn't even a part of Democratic leadership. So just because they are against it, but vote Democrat, it doesn't mean Democratic lawmakers are against a National ID. 

And liberals would total get behind a National ID for voting. Remember, the Democratic platform is to expand the list of acceptable forms of ID. Why would the be against another form of ID? It's not that Democrats "don't support state IDs for voting". As I pointed out before, they are opposed to "only certain kinds of ID being acceptable", and then those "certain kinds" are IDs that minorities and poor people typically don't have. That is the essence behind being against voter ID laws. Don't specify "state ID" as a basis for opposition (it's not). Focus on the "only these forms of ID that many minorities don't have is now a requirement for voting" as the basis for opposition. 

Are children not a concern when taking the legalization of marijuana into consideration? Generally speaking, I believe parents want their children to avoid pot. I'm an anti pot guy, I just don't want people getting into legal trouble for using it responsibly.

Again, you blame the republicans for people not making enough effort to get an ID. Your arguments are weak given states that require ID aren't putting crazy restrictions. Its basically just state ID and military, that's perfectly reasonable. I don't believe republicans feel a need to deter minorities from voting, I beleive many minorities just don't care enough to vote and believe they're in a country against their people. I say that as a minority that talks to minorities, left wing media has brain washed a lot of them in a very negative way.

Lets be frank, ACLU is significantly more left wing than right wing. If ACLU and other minority groups don't support National ID, then neither will many democrats. They will argue some sort of racial or financial disparity created by it, they always do. Dems don't even want us tracking illegals in fear they will be deported. They will call national ID fascism or something like that.

Legalize illegal immigrants who don't have any history of violent crime. Let them pay a fine and get them legal so they can start paying taxes. Nuff said. The overwhelming majority of these people are good, hard working people. Impliment tighter immigration laws for those who want to come in later, but those who are already here, legalize. Living in fear is not what America is about, these people don't want anything different than what immigrants from Ireland, UK, Germany, Italy, wanted 80 years ago, which is simply a better future for their kids. 

Voter ID should be free for everyone and easy to obtain. 

You should be able to vote if you've served your time. Why should you never be able to vote for example if you committed a felony at age 19 and are say 35 now? If you can get a job and are allowed to function in every other aspect of society, you should be able to vote. This is only a way to disenfranchise large portions of the population since the US locks up more people than other country on the planet. We have more people in jail than China despite having like a fraction of the population.

Oh and perhaps it's time to stop making jail a for-profit institution. We're paying tax dollars to make these companies running these prisons obscenely rich. And because they're rich of course there is strong motivation to make sure they are fully stocked, no one wants to fund a 1/3 full prison.  

Get all these political ideological bullshit out of the way. I think if presented on the basis of the *issues* most Americans could come to a fair consensus on a lot of these issues, they've just become so politicized that no common sense is allowed.