ZenfoldorVGI said:
You're telling me that the gamesradar editor tainted the review with his bias towards the franchise and incapabilities of doing good in the game, yet you fail to mention that they also they had major problems with the camera and level design, something that is constant in all but one review on that thread. The difference between both reviews is that I couldn't find one thing in Eurogamer review that wasn't both a compliment and and slap in the face at the same time. First, besides your personal attacks on me, I'll respond to your post. I'm not bitter. Only insulted by your hypocracy. I never said the gamesradar guy wasn't good at the game, I said he didn't like the series or the difficulty in NG1, 2, or Sigma. He says as much in his review. I think it's fairly obvious the Eurogamer guy didn't have fun with the game, and would have given it a lower score if possible. The same cannot be said for the MGS review.
- incredible, cathartic, climactic cutscenes that are so good that the game could be confused with a film.
- more gameplay mechanics than you can fully explore in a single play through that "turns the world upside down several times over"
- a richly satisfying success story that is a properly gripping yarn, full of thrills, spectacle, laughs, and even tenderness and pathos.
I guess we weren't reading the same review after all... just like the NG2 reviews that actually compliment the camera, linear level designs and possible framerate chugs.
Apparently I have found your problem. You don't read anything but the closing arguments. If only MGS4 did end there. An unbelievably lengthy and self-indulgent epilogue - you can't call it a cut-scene, it's an entire film in its own right, and a deeply boring one too - is how Solid Snake's career comes to a close. Too bad, but no hard feelings; you can ignore it if you wish.- Common MGS criticism Even keen students of Metal Gear lore are going to struggle to follow this tangled tale. Laden with sentimental sermons and metaphors for the evils of war, struggling under the weight of the resolving the plots of four previous games and the personal destinies of characters as diverse as Raiden, Meryl, Naomi, Vamp and Eva, it is in all honesty a mess.....Maybe that's deliberate, but it doesn't work, and the hours of talking-head exposition involved are too steep a price to pay for this muddled closure. - Common MGS criticmsm The game got an 8/10, you thought there weren't any criticisms? I think your MGS fanboyism is showing. You want the game to be perfect, and perpahs it will be. You just put too much faith in reviews, apparently. However, you're right, I listed those less because I think they are real criticisms and more because I knew that it would anger you, the MGS fan you are, and because it shows the exact same callous approach to game apprasial you made with NG2, without giving it the "marginilization" effect you tried to slip in about this MGS4 review. How can you be so sure other reviews won't agree? Very few are out, that don't start with "sony magazine" in front of them. TBH, the fact that you're defending him and not tearing apart his review (something that you'll apparently do for low NG2 reviews) shows that you're coming off to be more of a hypocrite than I. I've NEVER bashed the score of the review, the fact that you don't mention me saying that "8/10 isn't a bad score by any means" must be pretty convenient for your accusation of me being a hypocrite huh? If you didn't understand me the first time, I'll tell you my issue with his review: It's his piss poor rude attitude about the series and his always negative, "but positive" wording that are the problems. I don't give a flying monkey if his review was 7/10,8/10,9/10 or 9.9/10, the tone he sets with his review will always raise suspicion. As for me looking up his past editorial history ... you're not telling me that looking up a reviewer to see if his/her past reviews shows any credibility is actually wrong is it? you don't think that it's even a possibility that this rookie reviewer may have said the things he said and gave the game it's lowest review just to get a name for himself and get some hits? I'm not defending him. I'm attacking you for flaming him, and the great lenghts at which you went to do so. When I did the exact same thing you're trying to do in this post, because I like the NG series and possibly believe that a site is under-rating it due to bias against a game, you gave me a big long, self righteous speil about how your ethics wouldn't allow you to marginalize any review.... ...now look what we've got. When you think you can slip little comments in under the radar in order to do the exact same thing I tried to do with it suits you, ethics aside. I said in my post that I was a Ninja Gaiden fanboy. For you to pretend that you aren't a MGS fan, while you attempt to marginalize this review, is laughable. If you'll recall, I suspected you of being a Sony fanboy in the other post. This doesn't confirm fanboyism, but it does confirm hipocracy. Bowing out gracefully is one of your options, or you can keep arguing with me, despite the fact that your original post still exists and as you've said, the different in the reviews are only opinion, and aren't provable. That's why your argument of "Oh wait, these reviews are different" doesn't hold water. The fact that you find it necessary to flame NG2 now, only proves further that your previous posts were voyeuristic in nature, and now when the tables are turned, you decide to act decidedly different. Letting stuff like this slide is something I can't do. Maybe you'll think twice next time before self-moderating the topic for reviews of a game you have no feelings towards, and understand how being an unbiased observer can come back to bite you in the butt when a game you are really excited about comes out. Why are you attacking this reviewer? You are a MGS fan, and want the game to get good reviews. Not because you have some moral issue with this review. You certainly can't expect anyone to believe that. ...unless you admit that some reviews are faulty and should be marginalized. However, when directly asked about that in the other post, I recieved a "Nah" answer from you. Well, now it's my turn to tell you nah. This review is as valid as gamesradar. FYI, I don't give much creedence to reviews myself, but you obviously do. I'm a huge fan of MGS4. I hope you don't let below perfect reviews ruin the game for you. Ninja Gaiden fans certainly won't, despite our: - Terrible camera - Slowdown - Bad Level designs ....as you so eloquently and consistantly point out. | 
