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Frogger on 05 December 2016
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Ka-pi96 said:
spemanig said:

I wouldn't consider new Pokemon migrating to an old region after a decade to be as big a liberty as super saiyan pokemon or pokemon super moves.

Honestly, the only "liberty" is with mega-evolutions and ultrabeasts. The reason Megas seem so out of place is because pokemon were always designed around a concept of (very very lose) natural ecology. They were treated like animals that evolved naturally to become what they are, and anything that wasn't was either man-made or are yokai (like Muk or Klefki). Mega Evolutions are weird because it even within the contexts of the games they are unnaturally organic occurances happening often times to historically natural Pokemon. Mega-Evolutions are really just form changes, but they're weird because they are put on Pokemon who were never designed to have these types of form changes. Darmanitan's forme change doesn't seem weird because that is part of it's natural biology. Minior's doesn't seem weird for the same reason. Cherrim, Deoxys, Rotom, Sawsbuck, etc all feel normal with form changes because it's a natural part of their composition. Mega's are not that, which is why they feel like a liberty.

Z-Moves make sense because it's really just an extenision of the domestication of these "animals." It's just a special trick they learn after being domesticated. Mega-evolutions exist outside of that natural design philosophy, which is why it's so weird. The dance is still stupid, but that doesn't make it a liberty. Ultra Beasts are obviously self explanetory, but I like them, so I don't mind.

There's nothing wrong with Alolan Diglett/Dugtrio from a "typical Pokemon" perspective. You just don't like the design, which is fine.

Same with B2W2. Just because you don't like that design decision (neither do I) does not mean that Pokemon was "taking liberties" by having Pokemon migrate to Unova during those two years. Pokemon did the same thing with Gen 2 Kanto. What a coinky-dink.

I don't actually think the next generation will take place in an old region like Kanto, but it wouldn't be some huge creative liberty for something like that to happen, especially when it already has to a smaller scale with Gen 2 Kanto. Especially with the number of new additions shrinking. A Kanto/Johto treated as one great region with 70 or so new Pokemon, new characters, possibly new towns and cities, a new threat that isn't Team Rocket, and an updated setting would be very cool. Hell, do something really crazy and have the player start somewhere else like Saffron or something. And this is coming from someone who loaths Gen 1 pandering.

Definitely agree on megaevolutions.

@bolded I don`t think that`s so bad. Johto is literally right next to Kanto, Pokemon can easily walk/swim from one region to the other. So Pokemon migrating from Johto to Kanto, as long as it`s not done too much, fits quite easily. Unova, depending on how far away it really is but based on real world geography which Pokemon seems to be copying it would be a very long way, doesn`t fit quite so much. Especially in the time frame that was given. The Pokemon world is obviously quite old based on all the ancient legends involving Pokemon and what not, so there must be a reason that Pokemon from Kanto, Johto etc haven`t migrated to Unova in the hundreds/thousands of years prior to B/W yet suddenly within 2 years a whole bunch do. The only reasonable explanation I could think of that is that humans suddenly decided to introduce them, but then they`d likely be incredibly rare compared to native Unova Pokemon still.

That said, I think a Kanto/Johto super region could work with new Pokemon if they expanded the region to include the Northern part of Japan`s Chubu region as well. Could even start the player in that section and then later in the game be like, oh yeah you can go to Kanto/Johto too now. Would be a pretty cool surprise just like gen 2 had. Plus, given the very different climate there it would give them an excuse to have more regional forms of other Pokemon as well.

So? The US isn't filled with North America-exclusive animals. In the real world, everlap is everywhere. The sooner you stop thinking of Pokemon as originating from the region they premiered in, the easier this stuff is to accept. For all we know, Kanto Pokemon are just a conglomeration of migrated western Pokemon. The older Pokemon in B2W2 Unova probably migrated from neighboring regions too, just one's we don't have access to.

Again, you could say the same thing about GSE Kanto. Johto was right there. There's no good reason for the Pokemon to suddenly have a change of heart in the span of two years, and yet that's exactly what happened. Again, you have to stop thinking of certain Pokemon as Kanto Pokemon or Hoenn Pokemon and just think of them as Pokemon. Electabuzz is not a "Kanto" Pokemon. It's just a Pokemon first introduced to us as players in Kanto. Electabuzz can be found everywhere in the Pokemon world.

Adding another region on top of Kanto would really negate the point of revisiting, though. At that point, they could just make a new region and end it there. There was a purpose behind revisiting Kanto after Johto that doesn't exist anymore if done in that same way.