| forethought14 said: "What if" games don't do much now, but I think Sanders would have also had a good chance of losing. His messaging about the economy and his "anti-establishment" stance would have done better at keeping Wisconsin and Michigan, he could have come closer in Iowa, though I doubt he would even do as well as Hillary in Pennsylvania. Older folks are frightened of Socialism, and Trump would have used that as his Trump Card. (Lol). Bernie would also suffer in Nevada and Virginia due to the lack of connections with the minority community. Clinton had a shot with the Southern States, though lost all of them. She got more votes in Florida than Obama, but unfortunately it wasn't enough to offset the non-college whites. I had a feeling something funny was happening in Michigan though, ever since the primaries. More Republicans voted in the Michigan Rep. Primary than the Democrats in the Michigan Dem Primary, should have rang some alarm bells. I know, it's just the primary, but that shouldn't be happening in a state that has been Lean Democratic for a few decades. |
Biden would've won Pennslyvania and easily I think. He is from there and beloved there. I think he would've held the rust belt states.
Clinton has always shown weakness in these states, this is not the first time she's but put back on her heels with surprise losses in mid-western states.
She got hit by the Obama hurricane in 2008 and no one gave him a shot at all at the start of that campaign. She struggled again against Bernie Sanders in those states too. Those were already two red flags.
Maybe it's time to just say she's for whatever reason(s) not very good at campaigning/connecting in those states. Obama, Sanders, Biden all would do better in those states than she did.
She should have beaten Obama easily in 2008 and Sanders should've been no problem in 2012.
I think she's good at beating certain types of politicans. Like if she could have ran against a George W. Bush or Jeb Bush (lol), she probably could win I guess ... but she has big, big problems with non-conventional opponents. Clinton is a very good candidate on the West and East coast ... but she has problems with the rust belt. Always has.
