So, TPP is not going to happen.

[Teeqoz]

WolfpackN64 said:

Teeqoz said:

The quest to automate all jobs is what will ultimately lead to a less capitalistic and more socialistic.ish/communistic-ish society though. You should be applauding it. In the long term, there is no way a shrinking working population can still lead to growth in demand. (And the working population will decrease. Guaranteed.)

The only way that benefits humans at all in such a society where robots/computers/AI can do every task better and more efficient than any human, is a program with basic income where the society owns (at least a big part of) the means of production together, with money being distributed among everyone. People are then free to choose what they want to spend it on.

Not if those machines would be in the hands of the few, keeping most profits to themselves. A base income could be a good idea, but not at the cost of social programs.

I'm saying that it simply won't benefit the few that own those machines if there are literally zero consumers because no one have jobs. In that case, you can manufacture as much as you like, but if no one buys anything (which they can't, because they will have no jobs thus no money) it won't help them. That's why I'm saying such a system won't happen for the simple fact that it doesn't work at all, for anyone. Not even the 1%.

Regardless of your manufacturing robots, they don't just produce money. They manufacture goods that have to be bought for anyone to profit from it. And for that, consumers need to have money. Since there are no jobs to have, the money will have to come from elsewhere, ie. a sort of basic income/socialism-ish/communism-ish society.