Hillary Clinton won. How much time till Nuclear War?

[Final-Fan]

AsGryffynn said:

Final-Fan said:

So according to you Stalin was a weak leader of a shaky government.  Gotcha. 

Your claim that the Soviets just got bored of space after sending one man to low earth orbit is hilarious.  It's just adorable.  (Didn't have anything to prove?  How about proving that they can launch rockets without blowing them up?) 

If you are serious about asking why logistics are important, you don't understand the debate.  You are right to say many Americans have the wrong idea that the USSR was a minor partner in the fight against Hitler.  (Although, to be fair, the rest of the allies were fighting two wars, by which I mean the Pacific war, to the USSR's one.)  But to take that to the opposite extreme and beyond to say that the USSR did all the heavy lifting and the rest of the Allies were a glorified cheerleader squad is at least as ridiculous, especially when many of the Americans you're talking about at least have the excuse of ignorance. 

No, but Putin isn't a general or a great colonel. He can lead a country, but gutting his own military was among the stupid things he did, as it also gutted the economy. 

Let's see... The Soviet Union secretly plans to put a man on the moon in a clandestine program and doesn't start thinking until much later, whereas the US went to work right away.

Also, a missile accident for an ICBM? Like this one? 

Seriously, the claims the USSR was lagging greatly behind the US sound like the ramblings of a 5 year old with tangential knowledge of geopolitics. They're nonsensical! The kind of stuff you see in discredited sites like Infowars! I breathed the stuff! Don't you think I'd know something since I dealt with this for like 8 years straight? 

You must think I am some kind of hick. Well I know what I am saying...

Oh and I understand why logistics are important, but logistics and combat are two different things. Logistics sustain combat, but they don't win it and supply chains are often broken. They weren't because militarily troops pushed the invaders back. The supply chain was necessary to allow them to keep this up or it would have collapsed at some point, so they are essential to the success of a mission, but not able to sustain themselves. Not to mention, the USSR did fight two wars. The US was technically fighting one since their country wasn't on the continent, though with their involvement with the lend lease they were definitely fighting two as well. 

Did the USSR did all the heavy lifting? No. Did they do more on their own than other countries? Yes. They were technically taking on the Axis on their own with support from other countries. The rest of Europe had to act as a team to roll back. Both needed supplies from a militarily untouched US of A but this hardly entails the US saved everyone. The War was a mission which showed how dependent countries were on each other. The US didn't have the power to field enough troops, but they had a lot of economic weight to supply the war effort. The Soviets had the military firepower, but they wouldn't be able to sustain it for long since their military was and still is in many respects, larger than their economy can sustain. 

The only WWII glorified cheerleading squad was Czechoslovakia and Poland. Everyone else did their part. The Soviets simply took the bulk of the onslaught on their own and didn't end up like France. 

At any rate, the fight is now over, so we can stop this bullshit fight and relax now. 

By the way guys, I did mention I had enough of this shitstorm! 

If Putin gutted the military and wrecked the economy, why are you so optimistic about their chances? 

Let me make sure I understand your claim correctly.  According to you, after Sputnik and sending people into orbit, the USSR stopped taking the Space Race seriously and the USA never had any real competition for going to the moon.  Is that what you're saying? 

Which two wars was the USSR fighting?  Which one war was the USA fighting? 

The reason Russia didn't end up like France is because they had a lot more territory to lose.  Germany could have been halfway through the Atlantic Ocean before the Soviet French rallied!