Final-Fan said:
AsGryffynn said:
Well, given we have never seen how a war with Russia will unfold out, we can't say for sure. No one's really won a war against them. We don't know how it'd unfold. Thing is, how will the US react to bombers? Russia will probably expel them and use everything they can throw at them to do it. Since sanctions will have a negligible effect (they are already as closed off as they can be) the US will either have to keep shutting aircraft down and replacing what's destroyed. Odds are the moment the US says there's a NFZ Russia will simply destroy all US and NATO ground forces and employ heavier firepower to decimate Aleppo (I can see them giving the rebels an ultimatum and telling organizations within the city to run for it).
As it stands, a proxy war will have no winners, but I am not sure if the US will react violently to their aircraft and ships being destroyed. There's a substantial loss of power projection solely on losing a bunch of ships.
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Depends what you mean by "win a war". Certainly attempts to conquer Russia's entire territory have a bad history, but they have been defeated on the battlefield plenty of times. Arguably they were defeated in World War I (the counterargument being that internal struggles contributed significantly to the defeat.) I think it's a pretty big assumption that they would definitely be able to throw non-Russian-aligned forces out of Syria, especially permanently.
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No one's saying permanently, but what will happen then? They keep on destroying all of each other's ships and missiles until they run out of them?
Ka-pi96 said:
AsGryffynn said:
Well, given we have never seen how a war with Russia will unfold out, we can't say for sure. No one's really won a war against them. We don't know how it'd unfold. Thing is, how will the US react to bombers? Russia will probably expel them and use everything they can throw at them to do it. Since sanctions will have a negligible effect (they are already as closed off as they can be) the US will either have to keep shutting aircraft down and replacing what's destroyed. Odds are the moment the US says there's a NFZ Russia will simply destroy all US and NATO ground forces and employ heavier firepower to decimate Aleppo (I can see them giving the rebels an ultimatum and telling organizations within the city to run for it).
As it stands, a proxy war will have no winners, but I am not sure if the US will react violently to their aircraft and ships being destroyed. There's a substantial loss of power projection solely on losing a bunch of ships.
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Japan did, the Russo-Japanese War.
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Yeah, because they were waging a war in a region that was barely populated back then, Japan had UK support and the Russians were in a period of political turmoil which lasted all the way to WWI (the reason for the collapse of their teather, though in that case they weren't defeated. They pulled out and when the Republic collapsed western governments tried to restore order by invading since there was a power vacuum leaving little to fight if they wanted to enter the country by force and then there's how the closest thing to a real government at the time were the Bolsheviks).
