LivingMetal said:
Ganoncrotch said:
The church in Ireland was reaching out and doing its part to let us know as a country that Gays are wrong and should have no rights, I mean... it is one thing to reach out to the community to do what you think is helping, but if you are doing it without any knowledge or grasp of the world then you can be doing more harm than good. Same with the spread of religon into 3rd world countries because the people their needed help.... but the people there did not need help from a group who condemned the use of Condoms which would have stopped the spreading of HIV or at least not encouraged it to spread more.
I'm not saying it's always the case of course, there are people who cite their religon as what makes them want to do good deeds and I mean genuine good deeds such as charity work at soup kitchens and such. I am nice to people though, not because a man up stairs tells me to be, but just because I want to be a nice person, it shouldn't take fear of eternal punishment after you die to make you want to be nice to others... should it?
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Correct. Christianity is ultimately about grace, not rules. What you stated I agree with because it's a VERY common misconception because it's our nature to live by rules when the core of Christianity is the opposite.
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Take two and call me in the morning!
I should add, in Ireland the Catholic church here has taken some major bad steps towards remaining relevant with the community, with our referendum on Gay marriage they really tried their hardest to tear people back into their fold with a lot of hate talk and it absolutely blew up in their faces here, even some elderly people I know in their 60-80s stopped going to Sunday Mass because of what it turned into, really that vote here slapped two things, dislike of Gay people and the Church got a massive hit because of their support of the other side.
