Game_God said:
Soundwave said:
I think the developer compared the systems (XBox One and NS) directly though and he was pretty clear ... NS is not close to XBOne in real world performance.
1/3 of XBox One maybe with a lot less memory bandwidth (this is just as important as gigaflops guys).
If Nintendo is willing to offer a supplemental dock with actual hardware in it, that could change the story, but then developers would likely have to make two versions/settings for each game. Mind you, this is now becoming the case for Sony/MS developers too, but I can see Nintendo as always being stubborn about that.
Tegra X1/X2 are very good *mobile* chips, but mobile is worlds different from desktop/home console cards, the electrical envelopes are miles apart, NS probably at maximum can only run at 9-12 watts, and not all that can be for the GPU either, the LCD/memory/WiFi/CPU will also chew up some of that electrical budget too. An XBox One S even with a large die shrink (16nm) and more efficient design still consumes 50+ watts (it's a monster reduction from the OG XBox One that consumes 110 watts).
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se7en7thre3 said:
Can you link if possible?
But yeah, its hard to expect miracles from mobile tech, esp. when you factor in battery life, cooling & Nintendo lol.
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DonFerrari said:
Yes.... Nvidia just made it possible to make the same power on 1/3 the volume of PS4 and all that at a cheaper price point, can you imagine how powerfull their Titan X will be when they apply this to it? |
Arkaign said:
I'm a big hardware guy who lives in Texas, and have friends that worked in semiconductor since the 1980s (AMD and TI). What you're saying is 200% correct.
Even with 14nm and the MOST optimistic side of the potential reality in performance ceiling, with Nintendo going on the side of a hot/loud tablet at 20W (LOL), this would still fall far under OG Xbox 1, and memory would massively limit things to boot.
Take Frostbite Games for example, if Scorpio does turn out to have 6TF and much faster memory, then a hypothetical Battlefront 2017 would probably line up like this :
Scorpio : 4K Native
PS4 Pro : 4K Checkerboard
PS4 OG : 900P
X1 OG : 720P
NS : 480P and much lower textures/draw distance
People need to go back and look at the Mario game in the trailer. We know it's a new game, and well, it looks like great fun, but it looks like WiiU level at best. The Skyrim footage looks like it's just playing a generic placeholder video, but there's a funny history with handheld Elder Scrolls :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrWtz7M_OHc
At the end of the day if the NS can't play third party AAA tentpole titles because they either aren't ported, or run like crap, this is simply going to be another niche system. And if it's expensive, it will outright fail. It really needs $199 or less to be a potential hit. $249 will be maybe GC numbers lifetime. $299 will be courting disaster, and anything north of that and it's getting close to virtual boy levels.
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Pemalite said:
You still need to power gate all that though, which costs transisters and die space and thus costs if you do it at a hardware level.
Sony doesn't need to worry about power consumption to the same degree as a mobile device, so they might have limited it at the Software/OS/Firmware/BIOS/Cats level.
It will be a 720P and under device. Tegra doesn't have the capability to drive high resolutions whilst pushing high levels of fidelity.
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I was thinking the same thing but then I watched this video with Nico Wav who is a french gamemaker/insider, close to Ubisoft & Nintendo was invited by The Share Players to share his views on the Switch reveal & he says some very interesting stuff starting around the 38.00min.
He has time with the Switch devkit & to sum-up if you don't understand french, he says that the Switch is on par & even slightly more powerfull than the regular PS4, apparently Nvidia worked very well & did some black magic with the insides of the Switch, because they seem to port PS4 games with no trouble at all & even have some margin left to exploit. Take that as you wish, I myself am quite intrigued by this, as I assumed that with the Handheld layout, the Switch would be half the power of X1 in the best case, but from what he is saying it's quite superior to X1 & a bit superior to PS4...
Color me shocked, I don't know if I believe that 100%, but Nico Wav is well trusted & a real insider. He seems very confident about the Switch & about the power inside it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=salk2e0BCHY
Personnaly, if the Switch was on X1 level in such a form factor, that would just awsome crazy & would be enough to grant 3rd party ports since X1 is getting them, now to be on par with PS4 would require the involvement of serious black magic with the making of the chips by Nvidia!!! Wait & see I guess...
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OK... After losing more than 1 hours of my life listening to this (french speaker here), I can say that it just sounds like any Youtube Nintendo Fanboy Podcast, not a professional or insider podcast at all. Mostly rumors, "I've read on internet that", "I hope that it can"... Quick recap:
- About the power of the Switch, the host says: "If the rumors of a console equal to the PS4 are true, then it could...." (same rumours we've read here on VGchartz). The "supposed insider" says that it will be powerful enough to run "games equivalent to the PS4/Xbox One games", saying that the PS4 is just 1.4 tflops so it's not that much (but the PS4 is 1.8 tflops, not 1.4...).
- They dream about a Pokemon Go or other games like that asking gamers to go outside and they say that it would be really successful and awesome (5 minutes after saying that there won't be any SIM slot).
- The console is not made for Japan, it even "turns its back to Japan", it's really made for US and EU (lol).
- It's possible to make an equivalent of Gear VR for the NS.
- The Nintendo shares losing 6% is in fact a strategy from Nintendo, who wants to decrease the price in order to buy their own shares again. It's a great move against the mean investors who know nothing about video games.
- We don't know which Skyrim will be on NS, not yet sure about the HD one. But Read Dead 2 on NS is not impossible. Games like FF15, Watch Dogs 2, Ghost Recon are sure to be on NS (from rumors).
- Ubisoft, Platinum and Capcom will have exclusive games on the NS, but Nintendo doesn't secure other "normal deals" (either full exclusive or no deal).
- We don't care about third party games, Nintendo gamers want Nintendo games.
- It's a great idea to communicate in early 2017 only, because there are no games in early 2017 (January to March) to disturb them.
- 3DS games could be compatible with the NS slot (yeah, the podcast was recorded before Nintendo said it won't be).
- Nintendo esports, yeah !!
- 2017 will be awesome, "I hope developers are ready for what's coming".
- The Switch is the savior of our "morose" industry, even Yves Guillemot from Ubisoft and Phil Spencer from MS said great things about it.
Honestly, it just looks like any thread made on VGChartz by a Nintendo fan dreaming about the console. They even say things like "Everyone is overhyped by this console, look at Gameblog, they don't stop talking about it" (Gameblog is the worst french video gaming site, the masters of clickbait and irrealistic rumors presented as absolute truth). Any discussion here gives us more information and more rational thoughts than this video ^^.
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