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Veknoid_Outcast on 20 October 2016
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torok said:
spurgeonryan said:

Anyways, I think it was not because Superman just happened to mention Martha, although that did slow him down for a second. It was because of what Lois Jane said. She said that Martha was his Mother. You see Batman was going into all this with a clear conscience (yes I googled that word). He thought of Superman as just some alien that did not meet any of his laws. Batman does not kill people, but since Superman is not "People" he was willing to make an exception. For the sake of the planet of course. But when She mentioned "Mother" everything changed. It was not because they both had a Mom with the same name. It was because Lois Bane humanized Superman.

In BvS, he is pretty reckless and kills plenty of people. During the chase scene, he blows up cars full of bad guys and clearly isn't giving a s*** about murdering. So we can't say that he wouldn't kill an human being.

I'm a huge comics fan and I have piles of monthly comics and a big graphic novel collections (Marvel from Salvat and DC from Eaglemoss). Let's stop explaining this film, it was terrible all along.

That's not Batman. The real Batman has a moral code that's a huge part of his character. He is a detective and one of the smartest people on Earth. In BvS, he is a pure roid raged idiot, that don't stop chasing Supes like a mad dog even when there's CLEARLY someone trying to mess with them (blowing up the Capitol, for god's sake). 

That's not Superman. The real Superman is a symbol of hope. He is suposed to be the best of us: he has a strict moral code and lots of integrity. He is usually way too kind and generous, believes in people. That Superman was a psychologically unbalanced guy with godly powers. People would be right to fear him.

I could write 10 pages with all that's wrong in that mess. It also got parts of random comic books and slapped it all in a single mess. Want to see the real Death of Superman? Read the graphic novel. It's great. 200 pages of Superman doing everything he is supposed to do: avoid injuring innocent people, trying to stop the monster at all costs and ultimatelly dying to do so. Want to see the conflict between Batman and Superman? Read the John Byrne 80s reboot (normally collected as Man of Steel). It's beyond great. To get Lex Luthor and his distorted vision of Superman, just check Lex Luthor: Man of Steel. Reading just these 3 already makes the film look pathetic.

Testify. Snyder's versions of Batman and Superman are so out of touch with what these heroes represent. Superman tortured and brooding. Batman racking up a body count to put Death Wish to shame.

Yet even if we set that aside for a minute, the scene you reference Ryan doesn't make sense according to the movie's internal logic. Wayne convinced himself that even if there was a 1% chance of Superman going rogue, he had to be put down. He developed an elaborate plan to kill him. Then he changed his mind in an instant because his mother's name is the same as Kent's mother. What??

That said, I would argue Affleck was the highlight of the movie. Certainly wasn't Cavill, who's out of his element. Or Adams, who after two movies still has zero chemistry with Cavill. Don't even get me started on Eisenberg. His performance is one of the weirdest and most uncomfortable I've ever seen.

At least it was marginally better than Man of Steel.