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Eagle367 said:
Final-Fan said:

It seems to me that religion is a crutch that can help people through hard times, but at the same time it can make them dependent on it.  So they feel that there is no point to life if the religion is not true.  Look at the original 12 steps of Alcoholics anonymous: 

  1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.
  2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
  3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.

So it can help, but at the same time God is then the only thing (in their mind) keeping them from alcoholism, so doubting God would carry the danger of undermining their ability to stay sober. 

You are eager to pin everything on religion instead of individual thinking. First of all, I am no alcoholic second if I was in hard times, you could talk but my life has been much better then most people almost too good to be true. If I wanted to love this world, I have every reason to love it and I am NOT suicidal but I am indifferent to the world. Your entire argument falls apart since none of your stupid forceful assertions and forcefl correlations apply to me in any way, form or incarnation. Also Stop being self righteous!

AA was just an example.  I thought that was clear.  You're overreacting. 

Let me clarify my original intent:  I took your assertion "religion does not take away my individuality" as more than just as a personal claim only applying to you yourself.  I thought you meant it more broadly, as "religion does not take away a person's individuality" with yourself as the case in point.  I spoke to this claim by bringing up the AA example, which seems to be to pretty clearly involve submitting their own willpower to their conception of God.  I definitely did not mean that you were an alcoholic or had similar problems.  If you meant your statement as purely personal and not speaking for religion in general or anyone else's religion than your own personal and solely individual experience, then since I don't know you outside of these few posts there's not much I can say on that subject.  The degree to which religion reduces a person's independence varies greatly by the religion and by the individual.  Many cults, for example, severely reduce people's individuality to weld them into the cult more firmly. 

In what way did you think I was being "self-righteous"?  And what do you mean by "pin everything on religion"? 



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