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RolStoppable said:
windbane said:

5. Your opinion doesn't by default mean any more than mine. You think Nintendo is doing a fine jon with their online service, and I think it's terrible so far.

Most of the media focuses on the controls but the ESRB also gave the PS2 version of Manhunt an Adult Only Rating. The controls had nothing to do with the rating. I would hope the Wii version would sell better because it's a slightly more powerful system. However, the majority of PS2-Wii multi-platform games have sold better on the PS2 so far.

7. I have already stated many reasons, but it doesn't matter to you. I don't believe comparing the PSP to only the DS is a fair comparison, but you are telling me it's the only comparison. You want to divide handhelds as if the same companies don't develop games for both. If Square decides to make a game they aren't always deciding PSP or DS, they may decide PSP, Wii, PS2, or DS. All offer advantages. There are not many games that go both on the DS and PSP, both systems get unique games.

Not only that, but you are saying that only the leading seller in handhelds only and consoles only each generation is successful. The Genesis, a console you say is only "successful" in Europe because it beat out the SNES there, barely, and yet it only trailed the SNES by 23 to 17 million in the US. That's fairly successful if you ask me. #2 can be successful.

I think the PSP can be judged by how successful it is without including the DS in the equation. The DS is on a level that not even the GBA or GB can touch, and both were successful to you. The PSP is selling as well as the PS2 so far in its lifespan. I find that very significant. I find it very interesting that the PSP is outselling the Wii in Europe the last few months. The PSP will sell more than the Genesis and N64, and perhaps more than the SNES and NES. That seems successful to me.

This might be another point we'll just have to drop because you won't accept any comparison except for the DS. I think you're right that Sony is disappointed. I think they will learn from their mistakes with the PSP. However, despite the mistakes, it has still been successful. By your definition of success, #1 is the only winner. If the Wii goes on to sell over 75 million but gets beat by the PS3 (let's say over 100 million), you'll still consider the Wii a failure?


It seems everything is running into a dead end. If the Wii will sell less than the PS3, even if the Wii sells 100 million in #2, I consider it a failure. The PSP won't reach the sales numbers of the SNES. The PSP will most likely end up in the 30-35 million range. If you think that 20 % marketshare for a handheld are a success, do so.


Just because another system sells more than the Wii, selling 100 million would be a failure?  Wow.

You predict the DS to sell 150 to 175 million?  Wow.

I guess we are done.  Thanks.