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windbane on 27 June 2007
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RolStoppable said:
windbane said:

1. No reason why PS3 sales won't pick up. Great games coming, price cut this year most likely, and tons of exclusives and multis with the 360 that won't be on the Wii.

2. I'm just saying that just because a format hasn't taken over yet doesn't mean you can't see that it's heading towards it. There are some titles that have been in the top 10 in dvd sales and the number of players, number of tvs, and number of movies are increasing each week.

5. I can read and I've read everything I can find about Charged and the online service with it. I find friend codes annoying and Charged online options lacking, even if it's an improvement. I think Nintendo gets a pass for lacking good online features too much. It's almost as if just because they don't try as hard people don't expect as much.

As for Manhunt 2: the controls don't have anything to do with it considering ther PS2 version also is delayed for the same reason of receiving an AO rating. If it was released on the PS2 and not on the Wii, I'd just play it on the PS2. I enjoyed Manhunt 1 there already.

6. A lot of the games have been new announcements, but yeah, we'll get a glimmer of the future at E3.

7. When it comes to sales, you can compare whatever you want. The fact is that the PSP is selling better than the Wii in Europe. In no way do I have to compare the PSP only to the DS. If both are successful what difference does it make? The DS is crushing the PSP. Ok. The PSP is still beating the Wii and is as closer to the same price point than the Wii is to the 360.

There was a thread talking about which game would sell the most this year and Pokemon was thrown out by some because it was a handheld title. You can do that, but ignoring that it sells much more than any other doesn't make it untrue. Now, comparing revenue would be interesting since Pokemon is half the price of a 360 or PS3 game. If you consider that, it might not be the highest selling. Either way, it exists, so it still counts as a game being sold.

Handhelds don't sell more than consoles by default. The PS2 is the highest selling machine now. The GBA and GB are next but obviously there is not some magic thing about handhelds that discounts the fact that the PSP is outselling the Wii. The PSP is not as successful as the DS, but it is still a great success.

Btw, most of the best games are coming out later this year for the PSP (and this week with PQ2).

Finally, if you compare the GB and GBA to the DS (aligning launches), then neither the GB and GBA are successful by your definition. I think most would disagree. There are degrees of success, and the PSP is doing very well.


1) This point has been reduced to "time will tell", I guess.

2) Okay then, Bluray is heading towards being successful. But I wouldn't bet money on it that it will become the successor of the DVD.

5) One person's experience or opinion not neccessarly shows the general consensus.

As for Manhunt 2: Well, most of the media is talking about the Wii version because of its controls. If the game gets finally released, I think it will sell better on the Wii than on the PS2.

6) Same as 1).

7) You can compare the PSP to whatever you want, okay. That doesn't mean that those comparisons make much sense. The PSP has to be compared to the DS because they are both in the handheld market and sales numbers are an indication for publishers to know where they should put their development teams on. The lackluster sales of the PSP are causing a resource shift to the DS. If you feel happy comparing the PSP to the Wii, fine.

Every console's or handheld's success is defined by how well it does compared to its competition in their respective generation. The PSP is not a success, especially considering Sony's own expectations.

I am aware of that. But they won't boost hardware sales significantly. The PSP sales are declining, 2.5 years after being launched. The PSP is on the road of a losing system, it's not successful.

My definition of success is: Every console's or handheld's success is defined by how well it does compared to its competition in their respective generation. Successful consoles and handhelds: Atari 2600, NES, SNES, Genesis (in europe), PS1, PS2, GB, GBA, DS. The Wii has the best chances of this generation's consoles to be added to this list.

In your next post, explain to me for which reasons the PSP should be considered a success.


5.  Your opinion doesn't by default mean any more than mine.  You think Nintendo is doing a fine jon with their online service, and I think it's terrible so far.

Most of the media focuses on the controls but the ESRB also gave the PS2 version of Manhunt an Adult Only Rating.  The controls had nothing to do with the rating.  I would hope the Wii version would sell better because it's a slightly more powerful system.  However, the majority of PS2-Wii multi-platform games have sold better on the PS2 so far.

7.  I have already stated many reasons, but it doesn't matter to you.  I don't believe comparing the PSP to only the DS is a fair comparison, but you are telling me it's the only comparison.  You want to divide handhelds as if the same companies don't develop games for both.  If Square decides to make a game they aren't always deciding PSP or DS, they may decide PSP, Wii, PS2, or DS.  All offer advantages.  There are not many games that go both on the DS and PSP, both systems get unique games.

Not only that, but you are saying that only the leading seller in handhelds only and consoles only each generation is successful.  The Genesis, a console you say is only "successful" in Europe because it beat out the SNES there, barely, and yet it only trailed the SNES by 23 to 17 million in the US.  That's fairly successful if you ask me.  #2 can be successful.

I think the PSP can be judged by how successful it is without including the DS in the equation.  The DS is on a level that not even the GBA or GB can touch, and both were successful to you.  The PSP is selling as well as the PS2 so far in its lifespan.  I find that very significant.  I find it very interesting that the PSP is outselling the Wii in Europe the last few months.  The PSP will sell more than the Genesis and N64, and perhaps more than the SNES and NES.  That seems successful to me. 

This might be another point we'll just have to drop because you won't accept any comparison except for the DS.  I think you're right that Sony is disappointed.  I think they will learn from their mistakes with the PSP.  However, despite the mistakes, it has still been successful.  By your definition of success, #1 is the only winner.  If the Wii goes on to sell over 75 million but gets beat by the PS3 (let's say over 100 million), you'll still consider the Wii a failure?