| Soundwave said: Well I'm sorry you think it's insulting. I will address your points none the less, lol. 1.) I'm saying the world is more global. Not because of a conspiracy, just common sense, we live in interconnected world due to monstrous advances in technology in the last 100 years or so, which have radically altered humanity forever. And there will be more changes in the nex 100 years which will change society as well. If we had that level of technology in the 16th/17th century, the world you live in today would also be radically different. Human migration patterns would be radically different. This is not really an opinion, just a point of fact. Yes things have been a certain way and groups of people were left alienated apart from each other for hundreds of years ... but people also used to shit in bushes and travel on horseback, etc. etc. etc. A seperated world isn't realistic anymore. 2.) America has always been a nation of immigrants large parts of it were carved out over Mexico and built on the backs of African slave labor. So an ethnically diverse population has always been instrinic to America. If you are speaking about Europe, 90% of Europe is still white European. Is it really that difficult to live next to 1 out of 10 people who have a skin shade darker than yours? If that's the case, then we are a pretty sad sack species to begin with. What are we going to do in 100-200 years? We are going to have to leave this rock sooner or later and it's going to have to be through cooperation. 3.) You claim we have a "responsibility" to allow a reasonable flow. Responsibility for what exactly? To help those who flee from war and persecution? To also let in all the poor? Responsibility to humanity I would say. If you are consuming 80% of the world's resources, telling 6/7 of the world to go munch on your breadcrumbs is not a humane way to run a civilized planet in which there is enough food to go around for example. I personally think it's sad that your world view is that helping people who just want a shot at a decent life means you are being "humilated". I am not saying unchecked immigration, but certainly I think the West has some onus to accept a fair share of people who want a better life because we live in a society of tremendous privelege and abundance. We throw away more food at a dinner table than a lot of families get to eat in 2-3 days in some parts of the world. Now yes, maybe we do need to instigate strong integration mechanisms, on that I would agree if someone raised that point. I would say the point the Left misses out on is they underestimate how large of a transition going from another country to the West can be, there needs to be mechanisms in place to ease into that. 4.) To call America stupid country is another insult and factually ridiculous. Is it really? Consider also the massive resources the US has at that, there is no excuse for test scores so far below so many other developed nations. Here's another one, 64% of Americans can't even name the three branches of their own government: The main reason America still drives a lot of technical innovation in the world is because they allow in *a lot* of highly skilled PhDs, doctors, tech workers, etc. from China/India/etc. That is basically what drives Silicon Valley. 5.) I will say the current trend of radical Islamic extremism is a negative, but many immigrants are not Muslim, and even many of the Muslims are not extremists. There needs to be distinctions made. And what happens when/if "radical Islam" is defeated? Then what will the excuse be? Because I think the right loves radical Islam, they needed something like that so badly, if you removed that from the debate, it's really not much of a debate. |
Yeah, America has always been a nation of immigrants... from Europe. They were people who for the most part shared the same culture. The same can't be said for 80+% of the immigrants who've arrived since 1965. Not to mention how the previous wave of immigrants had to be completely independent or they would be forced to leave; nowadays, we have a huge welfare state that'll go bankrupt supporting these people.
Also, this country wasn’t built on the back of African slaves. Only the South had significant slave populations, and that’s why it was the poorest part of the country for two centuries; they had no incentive to create a more efficient economy. America became rich because of industry and innovation, which happened largely in New England and the Midwest.
As for Europe, living among other people is easy until they start rejecting European culture, committing crimes en masse, and being financially supported by the state. They've let in way too many people over too short a time, just as we have in the US. If they're ever going to be successfully integrated, we need to close the floodgates and take a break from such high levels of immigration.
Finally, did you seriously just point to the US having low PISA scores when I specifically debunked that in my last post? White Americans do as well as white Europeans. What you're seeing is just how large the non-white population is in the US. http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/12/overall-pisa-rankings-include-america.html
