VitroBahllee said:
So you think that increasing freedom of speech for women and minorities, increasing the rights of minorities, like for example extending the ability to get married to homosexual couples, is somehow like taking rights away from people as demonstrated in Russia and China and North Korea? In North Korea, nobody can speak against the government. In America, a woman wanting to get paid as much as a man for the same job is the same thing, to you? |
It's like we live on different planets.
It's about the narrative, how you describe reality.
Women getting a fair pay, nobody is against that. We're against the narrative that women are paid unfairly in relation to men, and we're against the notion that if women as a group don't earn exactly as much as men as a group then that's discrimination. The big difference is that in my world literal equality isn't the same as justice. To me justice means equal opportunity and fair treatment, but individuals and groups will often have different wishes and goals in life which reflects in the choices they make and which usually can be measured as a difference in outcome of some end-point parameter, like wage. But you just can't assume that a difference in outcome means some group has been discriminated. The wage-gap is a myth.
Extending marriage and still call it marriage, yes it is actually taking away something from the unique religious ceremony of marriage between a man and a woman. Therefore I prefer the Swedish solution where the union between a same-sex couple is officially called "registered partnership" and not marriage.
Btw, you didn't address the threats against freedom of speech or democracy that follow from that progressive "it's always worth it for the higher cause" mindset.
