Face it. It is over. Trump won.

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Mr Puggsly said:

Machiavellian said:

Yes ISIS did become a bigger threat under Obama presidency but then again to put the total blame on Obama is viewing the situation without considering the full scope.  What I find interesting is that people complained that we were in a war we should not have been in so bring back our troops.  When our troops started dying people complained.  When Obama did not bring the troops home fast enough there was complaining, when we were forced out of Iraq because our agreement was up, people blamed him for pulling our troops and helping spread ISSIS.  The thing is no matter what the president did he was going to be blamed for it because the president is blamed for everything.  People forget that Obama kept the troops in Iraq because the area was destabilized.  We had to bring back the troops after the Bush agreement with Iraq was over and they told us we had to leave.  Not leaving would have broken that agreement and thus meant occupation.  

As for crimes commited by illegal aliens, I did not say illegal aliens I said undocumented Mexican immigrants.  There is a big difference here because Trump did not say illegal aliens, he specifically pointed to undocument Mexicans since he was using them as his case to support building a wall.  He stated that Mexico is sending their people here who are murders and rapaist not illegal aliens.  If he stated it that way we probably would have nothing to talk about on that subject.

For your last point I do understand how you feel.  As a father, my kids make the same lies as Hillary all the time.  You get in trouble and you think you can spin it so that your dad does not punish you.  Hell, as a husband, who has not told their wife a few lies because you did not want to deal with the fallout.  One of my biggest problem with Trump is that if he make up stuff like this before he gets into office, what will he do once there.  Usually POTUS canidates do not lie or make up as much stuff as Trump before they get into office because they are concerned about character and image.  The fact that Trump doesn't care about Trump at this stage does not look good for how his presidency would go.  I believe something like Bush and the Iraqi war and saying there was WMDs would be the least of the lies that we will see from him.

Well its a great thing we didn't occupy, because things are great now. I get what you're saying though, but its evident things aren't gonna get better there until the threat is annihilated and Obama did not encrouage that. But I hope people have learned you can't just ignore evil.

Well illegal Mexicans do make up a vast majority of crime commited by illegal aliens. Mexico is our neighbor and its clearly a country with a lot of problems. Nobody is suggesting a wall for Canada for obvious reasons. People will interpret the Trump Mexicans speech to what fits the narrative they want. Democrats want us all to believe it was a racist speech, but the real intent of that speech was to be tougher on criminal illegals which are mostly from Mexico. Had he said it differently there wouldn't be a discussion, it was the biggest blunder Trump has made in his campaign.

People say Bush lied, but wasn't there a lot of intelligence saying Iraq had WMDs? Either way, I'm of a small minority that seems to think the world is better with Saddam dead. I just wish more was done to bring sanity to the middle east, because ignoring it and hoping things get better was never an option.

If you want stability in the Middle East so bad, why don't you go over there and fight for it? Sign up for the Marines, they're always looking for fresh recruits. It's easy to say to other people they should risk their lives to go fight in a country which in reality doesn't have much to do with America. 

The "ISIS inspired" attacks in the US killed 16 people in San Bernandino and 49 in that Florida nightclub (which I still suspect was also motivated by a guy who was basically gay himself, what shooter "scopes" out a gay nightclub ... for several years, the drink specials were that good?).

More people have died in "regular" school shootings in the US. 

Since 9/11 there's likely been more people killed in America by bee stings per year on average than a terrorist attack. Should we declare war on the bees too?

Mexican immigrants commit less crime than the average American actually as well:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mythical-connection-between-immigrants-and-crime-1436916798

Trump is pandering to a racist section of the right wing by pushing this narrative. If you want to be a "criminal", it's far easier to do so in Mexico, why the fuck would you come to America for that? It's a lot easier to live that life style and you can bribe your way out jail time there, you'd have to be a dumb ass to do that in the US where people get life in prison for smoking a joint three times. Most Mexicans coming here are people who just want a better life for their kids and willing to work cleaning up shit stained toilet bowls and puke stained bed sheets and picking fruit in blazing heat for 60 hours a week for pennies on the dollar.