Intrinsic said:
Azuren said:
The 850D suffers in black uniformity, and the 930D suffers loss of light at the edge of the screen. As far as the local illumination is concerned, you are wrong; the 930D uses a new type of lighting system that combines local dimming with edge lighting. Banding is also not an issue anymore, either. Are you sure you're looking at the right year?
And the better TV is the one that doesn't get returned for QA issues.
Combining the above with your faith in OLED puts you right square in the middle of "Oh, he's just wrong" territory. The Blue diode can indeed get better... By sacrificing it's color. To overcome this issue, they would need to find a new way to make the blue, and if it were possible in sure Sony would have done so to keep from burning $30K into their studio monitors.
It's not a single issue that leaves OLED a dead end, it's a number of them. Burn in, grayscale, half-life on the blue, cost of production... Pick one. The biggest issue, though, is the runt TV manufacturer that is LG is the only company really pushing it with any level of success. And their complete disregard for image quality in practice over image quality on a show floor is enough to put up the headstone for the technology.
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- Some sony 2016 models still suffer from banding.
- 930d? what of the 850d that doesn't have local dimming. You talk of the 930d as if that's the only model Sony makes....
- So you are basically saying it's not possible for oleds to get better? Cause Sony backed out of it? You know Sony also backed out of LCD tech too right?
- Would you consider Samsung a great display maker today? Would you have said the same thing 10yrs ago?
- you do know Panasonic is also making annoyed display now right?
Anyways, I'm not gonna argue with you. You are speaking in absolutes and that's always an indication that there isn't a point having a discussion about the topic in question. Let's see how it all plays out tho.
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- Some of the lower-tier Sony 4K's suffer "light banding".
- You referred to Sony's slim 2016 TVs as a whole; I corrected that notion by pointing out that the 930D does indeed have local dimming despite being thin.
- I actually said they can get better, but it would be at a cost. I also said that if there was a way to retain the blues on an OLED while increasing their longevity, Sony would have done it by now since they're dropping loads of cash on replacing them in their movie studios.
- Samsung does make great displays, and I never said they didn't. I pointed out that they are returned far more often for defects and that they dial back their noise algorithms, but I also suggested them numerous times.
- Yes, I know Panasonic makes an OLED, and it also looks like garbage. Every single TV they've made this year has fallen so far short of the mark in terms of quality and reliability that we're holding off on stocking any more Panasonic until the new batch next year.
And of course I speak in absolutes, because it is literally my job to know this stuff. I take information given to me by representatives, Rtings, and Cnet, then combine that with common sense (for example, upscaling is a wildly important stat in the age of 4K TVs and 1080p content) . Then I gauge customer reactions and begin pushing out an even number of the TVs. After about a month, I check total returns and the reasons for them, and this year? Sony's had no fatal flaws, had better pricing for 10-bit panels, and had the best customer responses. A KS8000 is no doubt a great TV, but I've had too many come back for buggy OS's and panel failure to put too much stock into them. Yes, their stats beat the Sony equivalent on most levels, but if it can't stay working, then there's not really a contest anymore, is there?
