PS4Pro was made to compete with PC - Sony Exec.

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Slimebeast said:

Pemalite said:

We cannot forget that a large portion of that drop was because performance and price hadn't really shifted greatly for years thanks to the constant rebadged/rebranding by AMD and nVidia.

Many Enthusiasts (Myself included) were also waiting for 16nm/14nm chips to land before upgrading.

I think a better look at the market will be once Vega drops and AMD's 400 series lineup is completed, both companies have likely seen a big sales uptick with this cycle though, for weeks a few Australian stores were sold out of Pascal and Polaris based cards.

So you can easily buy a 1080 now where you live?

Here the 1080 is nowhere to be found, as soon as the online stores get them they're sold out for $900 and up. The 1070 is available but still in short supply why the cheapest cost $550. Even the RX480 still costs over $300 due to supply issues. After more than 3 months, WTH?

Yep. Seems there is plenty of stock here now. Only a few places have one or two models of the 1080 sold out.
Everything is pointing to a big uptick in sales rate for awhile, a few stores I have chatted to seem to be happy with things atm.

Wyrdness said:
This exec must be high because PC gamers will always opt for a PC, the's a reason consoles don't really directly compete with them.

You assume every PC gamer buys a PC as a replacement for a console, not everyone cares about the platform wars and will happily game on both.

Puppyroach said:
PC and console are two very different ecosystems so I don´t get why there would be a need to compete? Besides, you aren´t actually competing against anyone, since PC is an open platform that is shaped by it´s user, not a company? Kind of a weird statement from Sony.

Valve controls the majority of the PC gaming ecosystem, if the PC belongs to any company these days, it's Valve.
Microsoft, EA, Ubisoft etc' all try to compete of course.

SubiyaCryolite said:
All this "but mods" rhetoric is annoying. Id bet hard cash that 95% of steams user-base doesn't give a damn about them. Sometimes posters on the internet seem to forget just how niche their demographic is. Get back to Earth people.

With 180~ million users 5% of users caring about mods is still 9 million gamers. And growing.
Completely ignoring the fact that you plucked the number out of thin air of course.

SvennoJ said:

76 million gaming PCs, yet that doesn't seem to help game developers much.

Only 30% PC sales on a PC centric title
https://gamerant.com/the-witcher-3-sales-pc-consoles-125/

Ubisoft, overall PC revenue 14%
http://www.statista.com/statistics/269679/breakdown-of-ubisoft-sales-by-platform/

And just digital only, console gamers still outspend PC gamers 2.5 to 1
http://www.statista.com/statistics/217476/digital-revenue-of-ea-since-2nd-quarter-2011-by-platform/

There might be a lot of PCs out there capable of gaming, the money is in console games.

Those are cherry picked statistics of course.
There are PC titles which have outsold their console counterparts.

Ubisoft are not liked by PC gamers either. Ubisoft's uDontPlay is a testament to that fact.

PC Games also tend to have longer legs, whilst your console games have fallen into obscurity from last generation... The PC version will still often go on sale and hit the sales charts for years to come.

eva01beserk said:

Terraflops might not be the only issue now, since sony has pattened that checkerboard upscaling, it might even the odds a bit with scorpio. Not saying that the 1.8tflop diference will be wiped, but it will be a lot closer while sony will definetly keep the price advantage by at least $100.

Teraflops was never the issue, it's not the sole limiter to whether you can run a game at a high resolution.

Scorpio can also use other means to achieve higher resolutions like Checkerboard as well, we saw the debute of that technoloqy with Quantum Break.

torok said:

I think your calculations are mistaken. I have this GPU. OC version, so circa 980. 1440p really hits it hard. 1600p is a no go. The Pro also isn't rendering at 1440, checkerboard 4K has much more pixels than that, so it really is doing a pretty good job.

Your Geforce 980 can run most games at 1440P just fine with 60fps or greater.
More demanding titles you can do it with about 45fps.

I wouldn't call that being hit hard IMHO.
If you aren't hitting those kinds of framerates though, then something else in your system is likely holding you back.

Checkerboard 4k. (Aka. Double 1080P) is 4,147,200 pixels, whilst 1440P is 3,686,400 and 1600P is 4,096,000.
As you can see, 1440P and 1600P isn't significantly higher/lower than checkerboard.