PS4Pro was made to compete with PC - Sony Exec.

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torok said:

Captain_Yuri said:

You do know that a) The Ps4 Pro is an underclocked 480 and b) The 480 struggles to beat the gtx 970 (except for a couple of games) which is a 2 year old GPU

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1748?vs=1743

And you do realize that the Ps4 pro a) upscales to 4k, not native b) Uses ps4's settings which is around medium-high depending on the game? c) Can't run at 60 fps even at 1080p for games that ran at 30fps previously?

So I am not sure why would any PC gamer choose a ps4 Pro for the "best visual" or "best performance" experience since it has neither and can't even beat GPUs that are 2 years old...

While I understand this, numbers aren't showing this kind of difference in performance. I have a OC 970 (it gives around stock 980 performance), which, as you say, is supposed to destroy the underclocked 480 on the Pro. But my GPU does ROTR on max settings in 1080p floating between 35 to 50 fps. To reach 1440p, I would probably have to run it on medium-high. No way I'm touching 4K even if I could use checkerboard rendering and my PC is way more expensive than a Pro. So yes, it is beating 2 year GPUs pretty handily.

Also, mind that "2 year GPU talk" is more exagerated than it looks, because the newer models are not that more powerful. A 1080 can't even double a stock 970 and is more akin to beating my model by 70% at best. And that's a unfair comparison since mine isn't the equivalent model in the previous line. So if the Pro is beating my GPU, it isn't actually that far from even the 1080 in-game performance. You probably could do ROTR around 35 to 45 fps maxed on the 1080, so it isn't that much of a difference. When you consider that you expent 400 bucks on one side and probably 1200 in the other, it seems like a no-brainer.

They actually did some nice upgrades on it. It's very competitive with PCs when talking about 4K, specially because 4K and 60fps demands in most cases 2 GPUs. I would need a 1000 bucks PC do do a similar showing. I don't even know if the 1070 would do much better, maybe just the 1080. Anyway, both GPUs are more expensive than the entire console alone.

Well... According to benchmarks, 970 at 1080p usually has 50 fps on average at max settings. According to devs of Tomb Raider, PS4Pro will have a setting that will allow it to run at 45+ fps at 1080p. But here's the thing, it is not going to be running at max settings. So with PS4Pro, at 1080p you get either max settings at 1080p 30 or non-max settings at 1080p 45+. Running the Ps4Pro at "insert res here" (it was 3200 or something) followed by upscaling will make it run at 30fps with lower settings than running it at 1080p which I would assume will make it hover around medium-high PC settings. So a 2 year old GPU is taking shots at PS4 Pro's capabilities. Also considering that RoTR hits 45+ fps when lowering down the visuals @1080p, it sounds like a GPU bottleneck to me where as the 970 can play at max settings around 50 fps @ 1080p.

And a 1080 is better than 2 970s in most cases, specially if you overclock it... Heck, take 1 970, benchmark it and double the scores and it should give you better fps than 2 970s in actual SLI. And 1080s, specially overclocked will beat it.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1714?vs=1743

And of course, 2016 GPUs are cheap. 1060 which = better than 980 is $250. Again, I am not saying PS4 isn't a fantastic console cause it 110% is. But if someone was seriously considering buying a PC for Performance and Visuals, I doubt PS4 Pro will change that... If they are looking for the best value, PS4Pro will of course beat an equivalent PC.