Neo likely using Zen CPU.

[KBG29]

Pemalite said:

KBG29 said:
After the Scorpio announcement I think it is using Zen without a doubt. Original rumors pointed to Sony having two CPU's, one would be a slightly modified Jaguar, the other would be a next gen Zen. If they went the Jaguar route they could keep the console arond $399.99, but the system would have thermal limits that could not see it reach 5TFLOPS. On the other hand the Zen would result in a $499.99 price tag, but allow them to hit the full 5.5TFLOPS of the RX480.

At this point it only makes since for Sony to choose the second CPU, and assure they have enough power for 4K/30FPS on all games to match the Scorpio. We know that the 4.2TF set up is right on the edge due to the DF article, so a 5.5TF set up could do it noproblem.

1) What does the CPU have to do with the GPU's floating point performance?

As I understood it, the Jaguar architecture has heat issues, so the best balance they could achieve with it is the rumorex specs we know. According to what I read the Zen tech would be capable of running at higher clocks with lower temps and allow them to push the GPU clock up as well. Since we are talking about an APU the CPU has a direct effect on the GPU.

2) 5.5 Teraflops isn't the "full" theoretical ceiling of the RX 480 either.

True, that was not worded well, there is plenty of room for higher output with overclocking and the sufficient cooling. The source I saw said they would be able to reach the same 5.5TF as the RX 480.

3) It's not doing 4k.

Even if it is what we have seen in the rumors, it is well capable of 4K and 30fps in many games both AAA, and indie. Obviously devs will decide what they want to do with it, but I have no doubt all Nuaghty Dog, Sony Santa Monica, Guerrilla Games, and Polyphony Digital  games will be 4K in the single player portion. 

4) Flops has no correspondance with resolution. 

They are not the say all be all, but when we are talming similar architecture they do hold some wieght.

teigaga said:

Wouldn't any game that's pushing the PS4's GPU require 7.4Tflops for 4k?

Anyway I hope it's true, make 60Fps a certified option for console gamers.

Resolutiuon isn't tied to flops.

KBG29 said:

Whatever they choose to do I am buying a Neo. I just think that sticking with the Jaguar/4.2TF/8GB RAM is not a great choice after the Scorpio announcement.

You pretty much get what you are given in console land.
Remember your console is a cost-sensitive device, you aren't getting high-end PC levels of performance or super-computing levels of performance.

Zen is a big CPU core. - Jaguar/Puma/Other cat cores are small cores which are well suited to cost-sensitive/low-end devices like a console.

We just have to wait and see what Neo ends up being. I feel like they are making a high end A/V devices type of market in the console space. This is a place where you can find $1000+ Blu-Ray Players, and multi-thousand dollar receivers, both of which have much much lower priced entry level devices. So Neo could be anywhere from $399.99 to $999.99, we just have to see.

KBG29 said:

I feel like the Neo should be a premium device that is geared towards A/V enthusiasts and the absolute core gamers. To me it should be Zen/5.5TF/16GB RAM, and push $499.99 - $599.99.

It likely will be a premium device... But that extra budget will likely be eaten up by the GPU and nothing else, remember it still has the same other costs like the Drives remember.

Again, we just have to see. I think the base parts are no more than $140 on the PS4 2000 when you take the APU. So I think they have a ton of room to go with the new APU and additional RAM and still stay in that price range.

KBG29 said:

At any rate like I said, I am buying Neo. I need a 4K device to take advantage of my 4K equipment, and PlayStation is the only product I am interested in. So, for better or worse, I am excited about next week, it is definitly going to be fun.

I am afraid you are going to be let down. Neo or Scorpio will not be doing native 4k gaming, they simply do not have the power to do so as the technology currently does not exist that is cheap enough.

You will likely have to deal with a compromised 1440P or 1800P experience but with reconstruction or upscaling for 4k, you will of course still see a benefit over regular 1080P rendering though.

If you wan't the proper 4k gaming experience or better... Then PC is still where it is at and will likely be for the rest of this console generation.

Whatever they do, I am just happy to see both Sony and Microsoft offering upgraded consoles. I have been wanting this since PS3 came out and Ken talked about the scalability of Cell. 

I think that I will get plenty of 4K content, because I don't expect every game to be 4K/60FPS. I know in the console space the devs have the reins and they will deliver the best experience they feel they can, and they will put it out at whatever resolution and frame rate they think delivers that. So, whether they have a RX 480 or 10 RX 480's you can never be sure you will get that golden zone some people want.

Finally, no offense to people that like PC, but I will never be re-entering that market. I just prefer an optimized and streamlined device and OS.