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Darc Requiem said:
spurgeonryan said:

You didnt like first contact or generations?

 

Also many loved Into Darkness people!

Most of those people aren't Star Trek fans. Into Darkness was a failure as a Trek movie. Just to be clear, I'm not saying it was  bad movie. I'm saying it was a bad Star Trek movie.

Speaking as a Star Trek fan since my early teens, I completely agree with this statement. But, having said that, I really enjoyed Into Darkness as a movie. But I've compartmentalized the new reboot films as fluff films, not the dense subject matter we used to get in, say, DS9.  

Beyond was really great, and I was really expecting to lump it with the last two movies as being "good, but not Star Trek." But this movie had a lot of great Star Trek elements, so I was pleasantly surprised.