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JWeinCom on 27 August 2016
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zorg1000 said:
JWeinCom said:

Except that people complain about that all the time in regards to the Wii U.  And it's a bigger deal when we're talking about the same game.  If one system has way better looking versions of all multiplatform games, then wouldn't that be an advantage for that system?

Go to your local electronics store.  I'm basically 100% sure that the Wii U will be found in the same section as the PS4 and XBox One.  I'm pretty sure they're not selling iPhones in the TV section.

The function of the Wii U and the PS4 are essentially the same.  They both primarily play games.  Nintendo may focus more on a certain demographic, but there is a huge overlap.  You're saying that they're not overly redundant, but you can get Skylanders, Just Dance, or the Lego games on either one.  Both of them feature Kart Racing games, both have platform games where you create the levels.  Unless Nintendo gets no third party support again, a significant part of their libraries will be redundant.  

Unless Nintendo does something completely off the rails, the products are redundant to a large extent.  

I'm not an expert on these things, and I don't know if you are either.  Arstechnica is generally a fairly reliable source.

I don't think offering it as a service is devaluing them.  It's saying that their products are valuable enough that it's worth paying to be able to use them month after month.  It locks people into their ecosystem, keeps players engaged, will likely generate more revenue than retail only model, and encourages a wider variety of people to try their games.

There are a lot of benefits.  And either way, something like this is going to happen one way or the other.  Blockbuster was offered the oppurtunity to buy Netflix, but they wanted to maintain their business model.  And, we know how that turned on.  In the technology world, you adapt with the times, or you get left behind.

All that being said I'm absolutely certain Nintendo is doing nothing like this.  You just asked what I think they should do, and that's what I'd do if I was in charge of Nintendo.

People dont consider MK8, SSB4, etc. gimped games, the fact that Nintendo makes high quality, great looking games despite weaker hardware is literally Wii U's only redeeming quality. Ive been saying this entire time that multiplats should not be a major focus and will do very little for Nintendo, so i dont see how they fit in the "gimped" part of our convo.

Go to your local Walmart, Target, etc. and you will see that there is a general electronics department where phones, TV's, DVD/Bluray, video games, laptops, tablets, set top boxes, MP3 Players, headphones, stereos, cords, remotes, etc. can all be found within a 15 foot radius. They must all be directly competing!!!!!!!

No, stores do this to be organized, of course video games are next to video games, thats just common sense.

That is an extreme over simplification, "they are both video game devices, therefore they are redundant". The PS/XB ecosystems having hundreds of games not in the Nintendo ecosystem and vice versa is what causes them to not be overly redundant. That and various exclusive system features.

Im not saying they arent reliable, just that it seems crazy that they were able to go from $100 loss to $100 gain in a year.

"People dont consider MK8, SSB4, etc. gimped games, the fact that Nintendo makes high quality, great looking games despite weaker hardware is literally Wii U's only redeeming quality. Ive been saying this entire time that multiplats should not be a major focus and will do very little for Nintendo, so i dont see how they fit in the "gimped" part of our convo."

You say that's it's only redeeming quality... which is probably right.  Because Nintendo is the only one making games for the thing.  That's largely because the hardware is weaker than its competitors.  Or, gimped.  I'm not going to argue over the word, but I'm pretty sure you'd agree that having significantly weaker hardware is a negative... right?

"Go to your local Walmart, Target, etc. and you will see that there is a general electronics department where phones, TV's, DVD/Bluray, video games, laptops, tablets, set top boxes, MP3 Players, headphones, stereos, cords, remotes, etc. can all be found within a 15 foot radius. They must all be directly competing!!!!!!!

No, stores do this to be organized, of course video games are next to video games, thats just common sense.

That is an extreme over simplification, "they are both video game devices, therefore they are redundant". The PS/XB ecosystems having hundreds of games not in the Nintendo ecosystem and vice versa is what causes them to not be overly redundant. That and various exclusive system features."

And that general electronics section will be broken up into smaller sections.  Because when a person is deciding on whether or not to buy a video game system for their kids, it's fairly likely they'll look at the Wii U and the PS4.  When someone needs  a TV their superbowl party, they are not going to choose between an iPhone 6, a washing machine, and a Samsung OLED.  The competition is absolutely FAR more direct for video game systems.

As for different libraries, I just don't buy that.  It doesn't make the products distinct enough in the eyes of consumers, particularly the less hardcore ones.  The Genesis and Super Nintendo had almost entirely different libraries, and they were certainly in direct competition.  Same situation with the N64 and PS1.  Even with the PS3 and Wii, Sony made comments and commercials specifically addressing the Wii.  Since then, libraries have gotten more and more similar, making products more and more redundant.

If you don't believe me though, here are some quotes from Reggie.

"The dirty little secret is, if you look at life-to-date numbers between Sony and Nintendo, they’d be pretty close in terms of PS4 vs. Wii U, with Xbox coming in third place. I think it’s going to be a three-horse race for the balance of this cycle.

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2014/06/13/ps4-wii-u-sales-are-pretty-close-according-to-nintendo/#uWDO9FAYLUDfhPYR.99"

"When we launched Wii U, we missed the opportunity to be clear on the concept, to show off its capabilities and what the users could do. And that hurt us. Sales were also hurt, during the beginning of its lifespan, by the lack of games. And although we've sold 13 million consoles, against 20 and 40 million from the competition (Microsoft and Sony, respectively), what pleases us the most is that Wii U has the games with the best reviews and ratings from fans."

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/07/reggie_fils-aime_on_why_the_wii_u_was_misunderstood

"Arguably, if you line up all of the single platform games for Wii U and the other two platforms, we have by far the most unique games that are highly rated by consumers and highly rated by the media.

http://www.alistdaily.com/strategy/nintendo-president-reggie-fils-aime-discusses-nintendo-nx/"

If they're not in competition with Sony and Microsoft, you should let Nintendo of America know, because they're operating under a grave misconception.