How are white people supposed to feel about their own race?

[Final-Fan]

RolStoppable said:

Hedra42 said:

Call it what you like, but it is still an example of overanalysis that can ignite and/or perpetuate hatred. See Shiken's response to Final-fan a couple of posts up from this. In fact, your entire first paragraph could be construed as overanalysis. It doesn't help deal with racism, and as Final-fan said, all talk does is upset racists.

Upsetting racists doesn't stop them from being racist. It can easily exacerbate the problem.

Shiken's response to Final-Fan didn't properly address what Final-Fan pointed out.

We actually agree on most things, where we differ is the perception of the Shiken/Final-Fan conversation. For Shiken it's easy to say that people shouldn't talk about racism anymore, because it's not going to be detrimental to white people, the group he identifies with. Also, I don't think that Final-Fan meant that upsetting racists is a bad thing, but that's something he should elaborate on himself, because there's not much of a point if we continue this discussion based on guesswork.

Hopefully my other post will clear up everything that Shiken misunderstood and make myself clearer to you, too, Hedra.  Upsetting racists is, all else being equal, undesirable (as is upsetting anyone).  However, when people expose racism in action, and especially when they take action to put a stop to it, racists becoming upset is going to be an unavoidable side effect.  It's very rare that society makes progress without having pushback from those who like things the way they are. 

(Let me be clear:  I am not saying that everyone who gets upset about these issues is racist.  But "all talk does is upset racists" is not what I meant at all.)