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Soundwave on 25 August 2016
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JWeinCom said:
Soundwave said:

Well to be fair there isn't really a tablet that plays "real" games. I can see a lot of 7-15 year old boys choosing this over vanilla Android tablet and parents being relatively happy because at least it was $100-$150 cheaper than that damn iPad. 

I think Nintendo just cannot let the kids market go, it always has been their bread and butter, they have to go after it with NX. 

Nintendo doesn't have the horses to go after Sony/MS. As I noted in my GoldenEye thread ... that game is 19 (19!!!!) years old in a few minutes time. That was the last time Nintendo really ever had a huge hit game that resonated with even the Playstation (and what would become the XBox) crowd. In 19 years they really have not, even on the Wii had a hit game on any of their systems aimed specifically at that Playstation crowd that sold like 3/4/5/6/7 million copies the way GoldenEye did. 19 years, I'd bet half the posters on this board weren't even born when that game came out. That's how far Nintendo is out of touch. 

That and the loss of Minoru Arakawa and Howard Lincoln was devastating to their Western outreach, they've never, ever been the same company after that. They've become a very Japan-centric company and have been for like 15 years now. You would need to have new leadership that actually knows what its doing with the Playstation/XBox crowd in the West and Nintendo simply does not have that. Reggie is just a glorified PR person, nothing more.  

But, if they're targetting the android market, "real" games isn't much of a selling point.  If real games are important, then a traditional handheld would probably work as well.  Plus, they could easily make a dedicated handheld that runs on android without sacrificing their home console presence.

I'm not suggesting that Nintendo should go directly against Microsoft or Sony.  But, it's far better than trying to attack the already overstuffed tablet market.  

"In 19 years they really have not, even on the Wii had a hit game on any of their systems aimed specifically at that Playstation crowd that sold like 3/4/5/6/7 million copies the way GoldenEye did. "

How exactly are you defining the "Playstation crowd"?  Cause Guitar Hero is obviously a given by any criteria.  I'd also include Super Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart, Monster Hunter 4, Sonic and the Secret Rings, Smash Bros Melee, Twilight Princess, Mario Maker, Splatoon, Banjo-Kazooie, Metroid Prime, Skylanders, and so on.  Pretty much all of those games has a successful corrolary on Playstation systems.  I'm not sure what you said in the other topic, but I'm pretty sure it's some variation of the no true scotsman fallacy.

I'm talking about games like COD or GTA or Uncharted or Halo or Destiny or whatever ... I mean sure I think it can be reasonably said that it's been almost 20 years since Nintendo has been able to create anything themselves that would fit into that demographic appeal. GoldenEye was the last time really. 

They're just not very fucking good at appealling to teenage boys and college age players. They never really have been either, their marketing has always sucked for this group. And beyond that they have no shown any track record of being able to make and market successfully games for that group. 

Yeah they were able to kinda change the rules of the game for a little with the Wii fad, but that was never going to last forever, and even on the Wii, a system that sold 100 million units, Metroid Prime 3, Sin & Punishment 2, Xenoblade, The Last Story ... none of these types of games broke out to sell even 2 million copies. Not even 2 million. They would've probably sold about the same on the GameCube. 

Well I mean you can say "well I'm not saying go against MS/Sony, but it's better than X" ... well then basically you kinda are saying go against MS/Sony. 

Nintendo's in a tough spot really because there is no clear audience for them, but going after kids and Japan makes some degree of sense. 90% of their popular IP are mascot cartoon characters. I mean if you can't get kids, then really ... you never had a future in the dedicated hardware business anyway. It's like a person who is quite smart but not very good looking thinking they should go into a modelling career ... it's just not where their natural talents probably lie.