Death Penalty: Does your country have it?

[Azuren]

scrapking said:

Azuren said:

 1. Don't compare Texas finance to Californian finance. Californians are total numbskulls with their money, that's why they're all moving to Texas (go home, by the way, Californians; you're ruining this state, too). As far as keeping prisoners sentenced to death, Texas actually attempted (may have succeeded, I dunno) to pass a law stating that if there are more than three credible eye witnesses (cops, lawyers, teachers, etc) then your ass is grass. Texas doesn't want to spend money on the scum of society, and fast-tracking monsters to a lethal injection would save enough money in the long run to give 2 people full time jobs for life at 30K a year and still save money.

 

2. No one is talking about a death sentence for people where there is reasonable doubt. Heavy sentences are reserved for those, death is for those who are not worth keeping. So before you attempt to bring it up again, no one is wanting to sentence someone to death unless it was practically recorded. 

 

3. You also seem to be under the impression that this is simply a form of punishment. This is a removal of dangerous elements. For example, let's say we catch a terrorist after he kills 20 people. Throughout trial, he claims he is justified and admits to the murders. If you, for a second, think he deserves anything less than an immediate death sentence, then I call your reasoning into question. If he goes to jail for life, there's still a possibility he could get out. And what would he do if he did? Buy puppies for an orphanage, or kill more people? 

All of the above seems predicated on the idea that there's such a thing as a perfect system that can perfectly and unfailingly come up with unquestioned guilt.  The number of people who have been exonerated after their death coontinues to grow.

I'm not a believer that mudering a criminal does a better job of removing the dangerous element than locking them up and throwing away the key.  The number of dangerous prisoners who escape high security facilities is very small.  And the people on death row are more desperate and a greater risk to prison staff (and the general public if they do manage to escape).

My feelings on the death penalty are a mix of practical (in no jurisdiction is it cheaper), and ethical (if it's wrong to murder, it's wrong to murder the murderer...  two wrongs don't make a right, and all that).  And you question my judgement for that?  Cool story, bro.

It's not a perfect system, but there are crimes where it is perfectly clear what happened thanks to video evidence and high volumes of credible witnesses. Again, you seem to be of the mindset that the death penalty is used haphazardly. 

 

And apparently you don't read much, so I'll spell it out: For some criminals, death row is a waste of time and money. Hence the Texas law to speed that process up for clear-cut cases. It's a waste of time and money to hold onto them when they're going to die anyway. 

 

And if you think that modern day demons like Dalton Davis ( https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/08/18/man-sentenced-to-65-years-for-repeatedly-slamming-newborns-head-on-pavement-killing-her/ ) deserves anything less than death, then I think we're done talking.