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Soundwave on 22 August 2016
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RolStoppable said:
Soundwave said:

Every console generation has new gameplay experiences. This idea that "new gameplay experiences" only started with the Wii is a fucking joke, especially when Sony basically did similar ideas a few years earlier with Eye Toy. And you do know previous Nintendo consoles had controller innovations without selling completely outdated hardware, right? 1983-2005 did actually happen last time I checked. 

Or is a console with semi-competent hardware now a trademark of Sony and MS? 

I'm not asking for Nintendo to compete with Neo and Scorpio, I'm just asking for TV performance better than the average GPU from *five* years ago. That is not exactly a high bar. It's not asking for a steak dinner with wine, it's asking for a hamburger that's at least properly cooked. 

I kept my posts short on purpose, so that you don't get lost. Unfortunately, that didn't help.

Nobody in this thread said that new gameplay experiences only started with the Wii. You made the argument that significant jumps in processing power are needed in order to offer new types of games and experiences, to which I responded that the Wii offered them without having a big increase in processing power. Let's look at my post again:

You should have continued with the generations. The Wii offered new types of games and experiences despite its lack of a full generational jump for its hardware. That raises the question how important is processing power in this day and age. Console generations prior to the Wii could offer new types of games and experiences in large part due to the increased processing power, but since then it has been first and foremost about prettier coats for gameplay that we have already seen before.

If you interpret the above as "new gameplay experiences only started with the Wii", then you suffer from a serious deficit in reading comprehension. It's what makes it so hard to have a discussion with you, because in your mind you rearrange the arguments you are confronted with to such a large degree that the arguments do not even resemble anymore what they originally were.

So from my side, this conversation is over.

The conversation is over because in general you know you don't have much of a leg to stand on in this thread and you're cherry picking one point to save face with. 

Every console generation has new game play experiences. Every. Single. One. 

And hardware matters even now, the Splatoon designers for example have said they couldn't make Splatoon on the 3DS (which is about on par with a Wii) because it cannot handle the physics and demands of the paint effects in the game. The Mario Maker designer has also said Mario Maker won't run on a 3DS. 

So yes, even post-Wii ... hardware matters for game experiences, even for cartoony Nintendo games. 

Beyond that, offering your consumers lazy, outdated hardware just because "gameplay" in and of itself is not a great way to run a business. Do I need a 1080P+ resolution display on my phone? No, but it's nice to have, not everything needs to be an asbolute neccessity. I don't *need* power windows in my car, I don't need a flat screen TV, but progress is a good thing it creates an overall better experience. 

I don't ever want to play Splatoon or Xenoblade X or Zelda: Breath of the Wild or even Mario 3D World on the original 480p Wii with all the other comrpomises that would have to be made, and no I don't feel "guilty" about that feeling.